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How TOs Should Post Tourney Results
There is no written standard that tells TOs how they should go about posting results. There is nothing to tell TOs where to post them, how to post them, what they should include, etc. However, TOs need to at least learn how to post results properly. Some TOs just post top placings, or worse, nothing at all.

It does not do justice to players who do well at a tourney if you screw up posting results or don't post results at all. Not going to throw specific TOs under a bus, but there was a certain OOR tourney Bloodcross and me went to a couple months ago. We both placed top 3 at this, and yet no results were ever posted at all. Now it is as if that tourney did not exist to the players who placed well. That is not the least bit fair and does not reflect well on a TO or their series. You would be surprised how many people want to know the results of your tourney that did not attend it.

The following are standards that all TOs should be following when posting results. Some of it will only apply to Smashboards, as AllisBrawl either does it automatically or does not allow it.

Using Tio

If you're not using Tio for your events, you're doing something wrong. Not only is it a good idea because it is a very versatile program, but it is also easy to post results and save bracket images with Tio, as well as being able to upload results to Allisbrawl of course.

If for some reason you don't have Tio, get it here: http://allisbrawl.com/tio/ If you're scared of using Tio because you never used it before, just download it and run simulations in it and practice running a couple brackets messing with options. It is NOT hard, and it baffles me when I see TOs sometimes try to run events without knowing how to use Tio or what it's capable of.

Posting Results on Aib/Smashboards


After running your tourney and hopefully being smart and using Tio, you're going to want to post the results. It should not be optional. It is now considered an insult to players to not post results anywhere. So where do you post them? On AllisBrawl and Smashboards, of course. Smashboards has a Results Forum designed specifically for tourney results. AllisBrawl has a specific system for processing Tio files from an event where it will display full results of a tourney in detail on the original tourney's page.

Smashboards is considered more important for posting results after your tourney. AllisBrawl is good for keeping track of specific users results and such, but as for displaying your tourneys results, Smashboards should get precedence. If you advertised your tourney anywhere else that has a viable way to post results, you should post them there too.

Also, don't wait forever to post them. This is what really upsets me, is seeing results go for days without being put on at least Smashboards. Your tourney will be forgotten a week later, so post it the night of the tourney if you can. I can understand some TOs might be tired from being up for likely 24+ hours coming back from their tourney, but if you can't post it that night, post it the next day soon as you can. The longer you wait to post it, the less people will remember to check it and the less people that will see what happened at your tourney that may have been incredibly hyped. Anyone in NE can say I've always posted results the night of the tourney, if not then the morning the next day.

Post All the Events

Yet another problem with results postings that should be standard. Post ALL your events you had at your tourney. I don't care if you think Low Tiers, All Brawl, etc are all the worst events you've ever seen. That one Low Tier main in your region that probably has never beaten anyone of significance that wins your Low Tier event will probably feel like the happiest smasher for winning something, and it's incredibly unfair if they get no recognition for it by the TO just shrugging it off as a side event that wasn't important enough to list.

Character Usages & Player Tags

Character Usage should also be a standard. If not just for people like John#'s who keeps track of all this data, do it for character representation. Did a Ganon place top 5 at your tourney? You better let people know that a Ganon placed well by having that Ganon icon next to the player's name.

Unfortunately, AllisBrawl doesn't have a viable way to add character usages next to the name, so that can slide on aib. But on Smashboards, you can EASILY post it by putting the character name in between some colons. Here is an example: Fatal :Snake:. Simple. If you want to know what all the characters names are, click on "More" in the Smiles box when making the post. Smashboards translates the character name inside the colons into an image, to make it much easier for people to view your results thread. Worst case scenario, put it in parentheses so it's AT LEAST listed.

As for what constitutes character usage, you should only post the character that helped them advance in the set. For example, if Ally goes Captain Falcon against M2K and loses horribly, then he should not have Captain Falcon next to his name. He should also not get a Captain Falcon next to his name if he beats a new player. It should only be the ranked or notable players they beat that give them that character usage. There are some exceptions you need to make, such as if you want to list ALL players character usages, and not just top 10, but that should be a rather easy judgement call.

One last rant about results lists that shouldn't happen is letting top players have results posted with their joke tags without at least putting who that player really is in parentheses. If a player is doing this because they didn't want to be known for losing to someone, then that's too bad for them. Not doing this also can make your tourney's results look a little skewed.

Bracket Images

AllisBrawl does this for you, but Smashboards won't. It should now be a standard to post a bracket image for each event. Why? Simply because players want to see all the upsets that happened. If your best player loses to someone in winners but still wins the event, a simple listing of results won't show that upset, but a bracket image will. It can also show why a top player didn't place top 3.

If you don't know how to save bracket images and are using Tio, just go to the bracket and right click and then choose to save it as an image. Then simply upload that image to an image site (such as imgur.com) and then link to it on the Smashboards results thread or even let it display with img tags if you know how.

Misc

Some other things you may want to post are links to videos of matches from the tourney, payouts (for John#'s, I get lazy with this most of the time), and making sure your thread title for the results has the tourney name, where it took place (city, state), and the date. This helps people know what region it's from before even looking at the results.

Summary

So in case you're too lazy to read the full details for what you should post as a TO, here is the general summary:

Use Tio
Post Results on Smashboards & AllisBrawl
Post All Events at the tourney
Post Bracket Images
Post Character Usage & real player tags


While this is not forced in any way or a written standard, it should be the standard that you as a TO strive to accomplish.

Comments

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Bizkit wrote at 9:05 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
inb4forgettingstuff
juice.Doomastar wrote at 9:05 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Or, be lazy and use Challonge.
LordXav1er wrote at 9:07 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
True that
Bizkit wrote at 9:08 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
juice.Doomastar wrote at 9:05 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Or, be lazy and use Challonge.

That would be fine if Allisbrawl supports it for results processing, which I don't think it does...
Somatic wrote at 9:09 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
bizkit your the man,amor:) for posting this information,,
I appreciate your knowledge and understanding as a TO and your defintily one of my favorite players when you list all your facts step by step.
juice.Doomastar wrote at 9:12 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
That system is lame anyway. You can store all your results simply with (name of your choice).challonge.com/(your tournament name) and it's way easier.
wWw Dazwa wrote at 9:13 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
challonge is beast for keeping livestream viewers updated with what the bracket looks like. if you wanted to upload it to AiB afterward, you could recreate the bracket post-event
Mitt Romney the Hedgehog wrote at 9:14 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
I post them at the venue if I can
wWw Crofats wrote at 9:15 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
tio > challonge FOREVER
wWw Dazwa wrote at 9:16 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
also smashboards doesn't support bracket uploading, but you should mention tio has right click->save bracket image, allowing you to post the bracket anyway
wWw Dazwa wrote at 9:16 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
wWw Crofats wrote at 9:15 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
tio > challonge FOREVER


suck neal's flour more please
Keitaro wrote at 9:17 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Yes Yes YES!!! at all of this!!

I have been hunting down TOs to post results for years.

Doom, who the **** uses that crap? No one. We need results posted on smashboards/aib where people know where they are and can find them. Gonna post the Concentrate results in like 20 minutes cause they aren't posted anywhere on these sites and it has been 2 days. Sorry if I sound harsh :P
Bizkit wrote at 9:17 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
wWw Daztoise wrote at 9:16 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
also smashboards doesn't support bracket uploading, but you should mention tio has right click->save bracket image, allowing you to post the bracket anyway

I think I mentioned that, just not how to do it. I'll fit that in somewhere. Also guys let's not turn this into a Tio Vs Challonge debate lmao, the point is to post on AllisBrawl you need a Tio file right now as far as I know.
wWw Crofats wrote at 9:18 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
hey. no. i just like tio more.
Keitaro wrote at 9:22 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Yeah I sound like a maniac over results stuff but yeah... :P
Bizkit wrote at 9:25 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
I'm the same way Keitaro lmao. I'm pretty sure I've ALWAYS posted results as soon as I get home (within an hour). Also Doom, don't tell me you didn't post results on Smashboards yet because a bracket image is floating around online with that program that only the stream monsters probably saw....
OffDaChain wrote at 9:29 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Not posting results ASAP is stupid, the worse excuse I hear is not having the TO file, of course certain TOs will ***** about any and everything but down play the importance of posting results asap, good read.
Keitaro wrote at 9:29 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Don't worry Bizkit, I'm gonna recreate the bracket and post the results soon on both sites.

I have done this for over a dozen tournaments in the past couple years that results were never uploaded for. Only one I couldn't recreate was Viridian City 9.....which Doom happened to be the host for lol! I still love you Doom....kinda :(
Bizkit wrote at 9:37 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
EE Flowers wrote at 9:29 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Not posting results ASAP is stupid, the worse excuse I hear is not having the TO file, of course certain TOs will ***** about any and everything but down play the importance of posting results asap, good read.

That is an excuse quite often. It's a stupid excuse because as the TO you're responsible for getting that Tio file to yourself any way possible. If it's not your PC/laptop, e-mail it to yourself. Upload it to file sharing site and send yourself the link in some way. Not a viable excuse at all IMO.

And EVEN IF the Tio file is gone forever and you hosted like a 100 person tourney that has no way of re-creating that, at LEAST creating the results threads and posting the top spots in the events is better than pretending the tourney never happened. >.>
Bloodcross wrote at 9:39 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Love this blog. I wanted that Concentrate 3 results thread up to see who would actually acknowledge that I got 2nd.
Keitaro wrote at 9:41 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
This Challonge website does brackets different than Tio so I don't even know if it is possible to recreate it in bracket.....

Here's the results online for it on Challonge.com: http://localbattles.challonge.com/concentrateiv

The losers bracket becomes different in Tio than what Challonge shows. Having trouble mimicking it to look like the Challonge one.
The Truth wrote at 9:42 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
OR

you can just never post results

#westcoast
Deltacod wrote at 9:43 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Great blog.
Keitaro wrote at 9:45 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
lol don't get me started with West Coast. If I even just lived over there results will be posted more often.

Also I got on RJ about posting results for Collision 1 and 2 yesterday and he uploaded them last night for allisbrawl.
Mitt Romney the Hedgehog wrote at 9:48 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
As a T.O you should realize that your job is not over until all the results are posted...failing to do that is just inconsiderate of the players who attended your event.
Roy. wrote at 9:53 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Good stuff, nice rec.
Bizkit wrote at 10:00 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Former Champ Adam Gibson wrote at 9:48 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
As a T.O you should realize that your job is not over until all the results are posted...failing to do that is just inconsiderate of the players who attended your event.

I was literally going to say this. Someone, I think AZ at one point, said your TOing job begins when you create the tourney page and doesn't end until after the results are up.
juice.Doomastar wrote at 10:05 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
My laptop conveniently broke before both Concentrate III and IV LOL. The C3 results are gone forever, C4 can be recreated but I'm lazy. Lots of FGC tournaments use Challonge, what do you mean nobody uses that ****?
Keitaro wrote at 10:07 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
FGC is invisible to us Smash players!
Keitaro wrote at 10:11 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
ENVIZABAL!!
Bizkit wrote at 10:14 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
http://i.imgur.com/AcZt1.gif

You're welcome, Doom. Wasn't hard at all to re-create thanks to Tio's ability to use "Swap Position" on the letters of loser bracket.
OffDaChain wrote at 10:18 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Doom, stop trying to justify **** man, at least you admitted to being lazy but you can promote the hell out of the event, getting is sponsored and even going as far to do online reg for it(even though it wasn't needed) but won't recreate a bracket for the people who attended your event? Disrespectful to the competitors who came to your event bro, no way around.

INB4DMTELLSMEIKNOWNOTHING
Rayquaza07 wrote at 10:25 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
tio dabes
FF Yukko wrote at 10:38 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Actually not a bad idea. I might steal this format from you if you don't mind.
Keitaro wrote at 10:38 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Nice Bizkit. Think you can send one of us the tio file? My email is Rurounikeitaro@msn.com. Or I can catch you on facebook.
Keitaro wrote at 10:42 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Also I posted the Concentrate results on smashboards for now here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=14282971#post14282971
OffDaChain wrote at 10:45 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
I made that post and Doom doesn't take the bate, I've lost my touch.
OffDaChain wrote at 10:45 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
BAIT****
mikeHAZE wrote at 11:15 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
#swag
juice.Doomastar wrote at 11:21 PM on Apr 2, 2012 :
Do you guys understand that I legitimately don't have a computer right now? LOL I've been thriving off my phone and my roommate's laptop every few minutes, and it's a Mac so I can't get tio.
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