HEALTHCARE REFORM JUST GOT PASSED

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#1
11:45 PM Nov 7 2009 2009
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HEALTHCARE REFORM JUST GOT PASSED
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/07/health.care/index.html
"Washington (CNN) -- The House of Representatives on Saturday night passed a sweeping health care bill by a vote of 220-215."

OH YEAAAAAH

#2
12:38 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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Damn, you beat me to it. Overall, this is really good news.
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3:35 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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#4
4:26 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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super awesome!
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5:38 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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The Senate still needs to pass it.

We're about one-third of the way toward that bill getting passed.
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6:35 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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So, what's in the bill?
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6:49 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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About 2000 pages.

All to say "Oh look, we're giving you a free option for Healthcare Insurance."
#8
7:03 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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220-215?

That's never gonna pass the next step. At least in it's current incarnation.
Correct me if I'm wrong but won't it need 2/3 majority in the house?
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7:09 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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I think it's 60/100 votes in the Senate and a simple majority in the House.
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10:38 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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****.
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11:12 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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Quote (originally posted by FireBomb):
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11:23 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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Quote (originally posted by Volke Aeno):
I think it's 60/100 votes in the Senate and a simple majority in the House.


Technically it should only need 50-50 with the Vice President breaking the tie, but filibuster rules force a 60-40 majority.

No such rule exists in the house, so yes a majority is fine.


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#13
11:37 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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Quote (originally posted by FireBomb):


NO 
#14
11:57 AM Nov 8 2009 2009
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i sure hope healthcare gets reformed soon enough so my grandma can have her kidney, spleen, heart and bladder transplant
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12:46 PM Nov 8 2009 2009
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Quote (originally posted by Tornado Watch):
****.


Explain to me why this is bad.
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12:50 PM Nov 8 2009 2009
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Quote (originally posted by Armus):
Explain to me why this is bad.


The opposite of why someone would call it good, of course.
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1:16 PM Nov 8 2009 2009
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Quote (originally posted by Armus):
Explain to me why this is bad.


There's a lot of reasons.

1. They tried the same thing in Canada, and Britain. People have actually come to THIS COUNTRY to get care because the same system we're trying to implement here isn't working there.

2. Government doesn't know how to run healthcare. It really doesn't. Leave it to the private sector

3. This plan is coming from the same party that gave us the stimulus bill, which didn't work at all and was just another wasted lump of cash. This administration which is trying to get this bill passed has spent more money than any other administration in history, and hasn't gotten anything done with it.

4. IT ISN'T NEEDED. They're pulling numbers out of their asses like "47 million uninsured". However, here's something you DON'T know. A lot of these uninsured people are people who COULD afford health insurance, but choose not to buy it because they're young and healthy, or they just don't want to. Sure, there's a lot of people uninsured, but it certainly isn't 47 million.

5. Despite what you think, there WILL NOT be enough care. You have to wait for weeks in Canada to get some procedures done, what makes you think it wouldn't be the same here? There will be rationing.

TL;DR - Socialized healthcare doesn't work, and there isn't really a huge reason for it. The healthcare industry IS messed up, but socializing healthcare won't fix anything and will make it worse.


 
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1:31 PM Nov 8 2009 2009
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Quote (originally posted by Tornado Watch):
There's a lot of reasons.

1. They tried the same thing in Canada, and Britain. People have actually come to THIS COUNTRY to get care because the same system we're trying to implement here isn't working there.

2. Government doesn't know how to run healthcare. It really doesn't. Leave it to the private sector

3. This plan is coming from the same party that gave us the stimulus bill, which didn't work at all and was just another wasted lump of cash. This administration which is trying to get this bill passed has spent more money than any other administration in history, and hasn't gotten anything done with it.

4. IT ISN'T NEEDED. They're pulling numbers out of their asses like "47 million uninsured". However, here's something you DON'T know. A lot of these uninsured people are people who COULD afford health insurance, but choose not to buy it because they're young and healthy, or they just don't want to. Sure, there's a lot of people uninsured, but it certainly isn't 47 million.

5. Despite what you think, there WILL NOT be enough care. You have to wait for weeks in Canada to get some procedures done, what makes you think it wouldn't be the same here? There will be rationing.

TL;DR - Socialized healthcare doesn't work, and there isn't really a huge reason for it. The healthcare industry IS messed up, but socializing healthcare won't fix anything and will make it worse.


 


Do you have any proof for any of your statements?  Anything?


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#19
6:35 PM Nov 8 2009 2009
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Where I live we have tax financed health care, and it's working.

So to Tornado Watch,
1. It does work. I reckon the people coming from other countries are paying, perhaps to skip lines, or they're looking for specialists. Not because it's not working.
2. Not sure what you mean by "run". The government finances.
3. Don't know anything about the stimulus bill, or what it has to do with this reform.
4. Some could probably afford it, sure. And some couldn't.
5. More people get access to health care, and lines build up? Weird.


Maybe I don't have the facts about the actual reform right, but the truth is, health care doesn't need to be privatized. There are downsides to both systems.
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#20
6:39 PM Nov 8 2009 2009
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http://www.cnsnews.com/Public/Content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51443 proving point number 4.

Do you really think government healthcare is going to work here if it didn't work in Europe and Canada? What makes you think that? Do you think government can really do a better job than the private sector? If you need to proof for 1,2, 3, and 5, just lookie at the world around you. Seriously.
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