Seems a little off topic but no I don't have one but I'm familiar with the site.

Dreyk, I sent you a PM but it has nothing to do with MetaKnight. But there's some sort of glitch that erased my message.

Don't bother replying to this, it's too off topic.

The glitch erased my earlier post too.

@ Drizzy, Sorry about the wrong name.

I've worked hard to not be a scrub and posted 5 videos showing I can beat MKs with Link (I use Wolf ang G&W too) sometimes but stick with my stance on banning MK in general, although double MK IS a weird way to look at the ban topic :/ . Almost everything that's been posted by either side besides trash talking makes sence. In debates people avoid adressing points they can't.

If you have videos of yourself beating (good) MKs with Link, or anyone, it could support your case...

Once upon a time, Bob, Tod, Rod and Cob met with their uncels Dolan and Dafty. One day, Dafty said "Let's have a vote over splitting Dolan's money ok" It was 5 against 1 and Dolan lost his money. This is one of the flaws in democracy (not that we don't have any better way to work it out, but it's still not flawless, like in this poll).

No matter how many mk's there've been, it's far from half, and most of those who doesn't main him CLEARLY wants him gone because that makes things alot easier for them, like for Dafty, Bob, Tod, Rod and Cod.
There's a big amount of people I have seen who even refuses to use mk in anything, just basing it on hate on a character they haven't learned to beat (or maybe even tried to learn). May be including their comments with what sounds like smart words, but metaknight isn't gamebreaking as for that it should be banned, not even in doubles, no matter how pretty the words are.
Mk can gimp .... fair enuff, but instead of concentrating on avoiding it, I see people just embrace the gimp to just still hate on mk. What I'm saying is that unless you're a crappy char like link or something, most gimps shall be avoided. Against the best mk mainers the task surely is very hard, but with experience, you will deal with it eventually. Not just at the level I am playing with, but I see top players adapt to meta knight's usual procedures and avoid it. I'm a falco mainer and every time I get get gimped by any character (including mk) I consider it as a SD by my part.
MK has got a lot of options, but that doesn't make him better than best. The reason why MK is seen too much at the top level finals, is because the BEST players play with the BEST character. Pocket mk's are more free than the air I breath, and those who lose against them should consider themselves scrubs. Note that I don't count in "secondary" as pocket.

Oh and btw. Look at Japan. They are considered World's Top Tier players and they show that mks gets raped unless you're a REALLY good mk, and before you point out that the twins used double mk, remember that noone beat otori in singles anyway, and why would kakera use IC's in doubles?

No one even answered my post i win

Well im sure I have the replays but i always neglected to youtube them or anything so you've got me there but im gnna go on a limb and say lets look at the legit professionals like Izaw, a former link main and how he still competed with and even raped great high tier mains like Inova and Calzorz MK and Snake mains from EU heres a vid of izaw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0mL80jK8Pk this is who I try to base my link off of

And to Oromis : "Mk can gimp .... fair enuff, but instead of concentrating on avoiding it, I see people just embrace the gimp to just still hate on mk. What I'm saying is that unless you're a crappy char like link or something, most gimps shall be avoided"                   what makes link a crappy character? because he's a low tier? this is the exact reason people want MK banned because he makes every other character look crappy if their not a high tier and while most of the other anti-ban guys are trying to convince people that crappy characters like link can still compete with MK while your saying that they can't .... pick your words a little more carefully please.

Bear in mind a lot of the "MK is way too successful in Singles" argumenting is based off this data from 2011, in case you want to give it a look over. Like, seriously, give this a look over if you have any doubts whatsoever that MK(in Singles) was extremely dominant in 2011.

I might be biased since I'm the one who made all of this data, but I'd say it's decisive of... something >___>

I'll just direct link this one thing, since it may be important to those people who are saying that the best players just happen to be using MK... do you really suppose it's just a coincidence that players start to win tournaments after they start using MK...?

Well considering you made it leads me to assume its based off some of your own opinion but either way the actual statistic would be fairly close I'm not saying Metaknight isn't guilty of being over used or that he doesn't have the advantages you guys say he has I'm saying that you guys are over exaggerating those advantages and spending so much time how to get around his superiority without having to actually face it or even try to learn the MU, which may not be the case for everyone but for a majority of the pro-ban community it is
Now the game in itself may be unbalanced but I think Sakurai has been in the video game industry long enough to know what he's doing and if Metaknight was actually "broken" he wouldn't be in the game now double Metaknight is a bit more arguable but I don't think its enough to get banned and I know you guys could come up with 101 reasons why no team would be as successful as double MK but I think there are harder teams or teams equivalent to the ability a double MK has

Well, game devs are capable of accidentally making "broken" characters in this day and age, it's not unheard of.

SSF4:AE(before 2012 update)'s Fei Long or Yun
uMvC3's Zero or something

just as two examples.

Although they aren't ban material, they definitely shine a lot brighter than the rest of the cast, for sure.

Plus at the time of Brawl's conception, Sakurai did not really care for the competitive scene, so it's possible that he wasn't considering balancing the characters for 1 on 1 play. Keep in mind MK kinda sucks in 4 man FFAs with items on, for example.

What seals the deal for me is that MK is beatable. I don't mean beatable in and of itself- I'm talking about reasonably beatable on even the highest levels of play. We constantly see top MK players against top players of other characters, and the flow of the match works exactly like the flow of non-MK matchups. Regardless of which player wins, you can credit him for outplaying and outperforming the opponent. The POSSIBLE (albeit extremely rare) exceptions to this, such as M2K scrooging Gnes for victory, are as common as similar "unfair" incidents are for other characters (such as Will planking out Rich Brown).
Statistics can be distorted to favor either side of an argument, but what matters more anyway is practical application. And in the real world of top-level play in Japan, Europe, and yes even America, MK is not that dominant at high level play. He's simply the best character overall (or at least considered to be so). Nothing more, nothing less. In pretty much any match, to the better player goes the victory. Meta Knight does not break this order.

^ basically what I'm trying to say LOL AMEN!

Neither mine or Diska's post(s)was answered.  At this point I'd play to a stalemate just to have the game end regardless of piece and positioning advantage.  *sigh*

You don't have any matches of yourself.  Argue all you want but don't question the skill of other players without a grain of substance yourself.

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Repeating arguments are just spam; I've led the hoarse to water.  Peace.

I'm going to have to politely disagree with that.    Meta Knight isn't any easier to handle in FFAs than in duels or teams.  He's got dat glide toss, he's still got dat overbearing offensive presence, and he's still got that nado and other spammable moves that are somewhat easier to...well spam, given the general chaotic style of this type of play.  Hell he can even use that nado to muscle through some of the weaker energy-based projectiles.

The only way to beat MK in item-permitted FFAs is for all the other players to gang up on him, but then again any one person, regardless of character choice, is susceptible to this strategy if they present themselves as enough of a threat...which is going to be p much all the time for you if you're MK, har.

This is off-topic but should be a healthy change of pace that I believe is neutral for both arguments.

Somewhat recently, Sakurai Miyamoto stated that in SSBB he oversaw balancing of the characters by himself alone, but that in the sequel he'd get opinions from multiple staff to help balance characters better; I think in SSBB he balanced characters based on smash balls being present.

Japan&MK: They have too much respect for Miyamoto to ban any character of his, and I also believe they frown more on game mechanics that he didn't intend for Brawl such as chain grabbing.

Banning double mk at this stage of brawls life is silly now, he may be so great in dubs but that's not good enough. Also banning mk in dubs would just kill the community more than keep it alive.  Players in the community need to learn other ways to deal with mk banning him isnt going make much of a change you will just see other chars being then the next team get discussed on Being banned.

Meta Knight- Has a tornado that makes him invulnerable to almost every character who doesn't have a projectile or legitimate hit box. Can edge hog. Has 4 recoveries.. That do over 10% damage... [I might add] Has strong aerial, has strong AND Fast Down smashes.. You can't even shield grab him if you tried.[which you shouldn't i might add. just saying though.] he can fly, and has so many jumps at his disposal. whiel most characters are limited at 2.

Honestly.. Now A meta knight X2. On small maps.... how is that not too much?

1. Izaw is not a pro player. Not at all.
2. Inova is also not a pro player.
3. Link is actually decent against Snake.

Well ok.. but the point is he link'd an mk on more than several occasions regardless of if you consider him to be a pro or not i was using him as an example or reference that low tiers can compete with mk and other top tier characters . your post was rrelevant and unnecessary. get off my nuts bro