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#1
3:05 AM Feb 28 2008 2008
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Official Tier List Discussion
NOVEMBER 6 EDIT:
Please state which character you think should be moved up/down and for what reason.
Example:
(CHARACTER) should be moved (+/-) because
(REASON)






Quote (originally posted by Ankoku):



Meta Knight
Snake
Wario
Falco
Diddy Kong
King Dedede


Marth
Mr. Game & Watch
Pikachu
Olimar
Ice Climbers
R.O.B.
Kirby


Lucario
Zero Suit Samus
Toon Link
Pit
Donkey Kong


Peach
Luigi
Fox
Wolf
Sonic
Sheik


Bowser
Zelda
Pokémon Trainer
Ike


Lucas
Mario
Ness
Yoshi
Samus


Jigglypuff
Captain Falcon
Link
Ganondorf
Sadaharu Inui




Condensed Version
S: Meta Knight, Snake, Wario, Falco, Diddy Kong, King Dedede
A: Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Pikachu, Olimar, Ice Climbers, R.O.B., Kirby
B: Lucario, Zero Suit Samus, Toon Link, Pit, Donkey Kong
C: Peach, Luigi, Fox, Wolf, Sonic, Sheik
D: Bowser, Zelda, Pokémon Trainer, Ike
E: Lucas, Mario, Ness, Yoshi, Samus
F: Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon, Link, Ganondorf

Quote: Originally Posted by Spadefox TIER LIST PLACE MOVEMENT


Meta Knight
=

1. to 1.



Snake
=

2. to 2.



Wario
+ 5

8. to 3.



Falco
- 1

3. to 4.



Diddy Kong
+ 2

7. to 5.



King Dedede
- 2

4. to 6.



Marth
- 1

6. to 7.



Mr. Game & Watch
- 3

5. to 8.



Pikachu
+ 3

12. to 9.



Olimar
=

10. to 10.



Ice Climbers
+ 4

15. to 11.



R.O.B.
- 3

9. to 12.



Kirby
=

13. to 13.



Lucario
- 4

10. to 14.



Zero Suit Samus
+ 1

16. to 15.



Toon Link
+ 1

17. to 16.



Pit
+ 1

18. to 17.



Donkey Kong
- 4

14. to 18.



Peach
=

19. to 19.



Luigi
+ 1

21. to 20.



Fox
+ 3

24. to 21.



Wolf
- 2

20. to 22.



Sonic
+ 8

31. to 23.



Sheik
+ 1

25. to 24.



Bowser
- 2

23. to 25.



Zelda
- 4

22. to 26.



Pokémon Trainer
+ 5

32. to 27.



Ike
- 2

26. to 28.



Lucas
- 1

28. to 29.



Mario
- 3

27. to 30.



Ness
- 3

28. to 31.



Yoshi
+ 1

33. to 32.



Samus
- 3

30. to 33.



Jigglypuff
+ 1

35. to 34.



Captain Falcon
+ 2

37. to 35.



Link
- 2

34. to 36.



Ganondorf
- 1

36. to 37.
Older Tier Lists
v1.0 (September 1, 2008)
v2.0 (January 1, 2009)


The top tier list is the tier list we came up with AiB's own opinion. The bottom one is the official tier list created by the SBR-B.
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THE FOLLOWING IS OLD:

Alright for those of you unfamiliar with what a tier list is heres my brief explanation. Its basically an ordering of charactets (top being the best, bottom being the worst) based on how capable/good they are when all played at an equal high level and vs all other characters. Now in the right hands any character can win, but when you take a completely different moveset and properties (Weight/speed/jumps/etc) for each character simply there are going to be better ones.
Last edited by falln, 7:17 PM on Dec 14, 2009
#2
8:47 AM Feb 28 2008 2008
Mathos
Joined: Mar 2007

Hmm interesting pick of wolf and wario so low. I can see wolf as being a nub favorite as he's smashes are spamable, have reach, and KO. I think he has a lot of potential.
#3
10:04 AM Feb 28 2008 2008
MasterRaichu
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I personally think its still way to early to be discussing tiers. The game has only been available for 3 weeks. There are still too many variables and too many things to be discovered.

If I'm not mistaken, the official tier list in melee wasn't solidified for at least a year or two after it came out. And even then, small changes happened here and there when new AT's were discovered.
#4
10:06 AM Feb 28 2008 2008
t1mmy
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I give up!  t0mmy's tier list is just too good. XD
Last edited by t1mmy, 9:53 AM on May 06, 2008
#5
10:08 AM Feb 28 2008 2008
Ankoku
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Ike seems abnormally popular on Smashboards for being a low tier, though that may just be Roy syndrome.

Also interesting to see Sonic and DK in the middle tiers; I've seen and heard so little about them, and what little I've seen, it was usually bad.
#6
11:44 AM Feb 28 2008 2008
Hitori
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i like the list t!mmy, but I think Snake should get at least 2 *'s. =D

and DK could quickly rise as well, esp. w/ armor frames in some of his strongest attacks...
#7
11:49 AM Feb 28 2008 2008
t1mmy
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Ha ha, I didn't even think about doing multiple stars. Snake is funny because he could end up being really good or... about where he is now.

You make a good point with DK. I don't know about his Fat Frames because I don't play him nor have I seen many videos or discussion making him stand out as very good. This shows that there are things that will eventually come out that make (or break) characters, which is why I put those notes at the end of my list. icon_wink
#8
12:22 PM Feb 28 2008 2008
DADDY
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Joined: Feb 2008

top
marth
toon link
kirby
fox
falco
ddd
wolf

high/mid
everyone else

low/bot
yoshi
jigglypuff

thats off the top of my head
"When I go DDD, it's GGG."

"It's melee, just slower."
#9
3:14 PM Feb 28 2008 2008
t0mmy
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t0mmy's tier list
If you're shocked to find my tier list is not here anymore, maybe going to this group will make everything better: SSBM AiB Character Tier List
This week's R.O.B. Face:
Squinty
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Last edited by t0mmy, 5:13 PM on Apr 27, 2008
#10
3:53 PM Feb 28 2008 2008
Knight of the Wind NoR4U
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I would honestly have to say that T0mmy's tier list seems more logical. And not cause of the way its categorized. Characters like DeeDee, Falcon, and Puff though might go up when the game officially comes out. Going off of such a small percentage of players might not be the best way to judge. But I still love that you all went through trouble to make them.
#11
5:27 PM Feb 28 2008 2008
Boolossus
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Last update: 5/15/08 

Top:
Metaknight
Marth
Snake
Pit
GnW

High:
Rob
Kirby
Wario
Wolf
Olimar

Middle:
Ike
Toon Link
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong 
Mario
Luigi
Fox
Falco 
Sheik
Zelda
Dedede
Pikachu

Low:
Ganondorf
Pokemon Trainer
Samus
ZSS 
Ice Climbers
Ness
Lucas
Yoshi
Link
Captain Falcon
Bowser

Bottom:
Sonic
Jigglypuff
Lucario

Last edited by Boolossus, 12:58 AM on May 16, 2008
#12
3:44 PM Feb 29 2008 2008
Mathos
Joined: Mar 2007

Now obviously this is based on my own opinion which is ridiculously biased as I have not participated in a tournament yet and I am limited to whoever CoK wants to play as.

Top
Robot
Marth
Toon Link
Wolf

High
Pikachu
Game & Watch
Lucas
Metaknight
Fox
Zero Suit Samus
Lucario
Pit
Kirby
Falco
Sheik
Wario
Peach
Pokemon Trainer

Mid
Diddy
Ice Climbers
Olimar
Sonic
Snake
Jigglypuff
Luigi
Bowser
Link
Ike
Samus
Dedede

Low
Donkey Kong
Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Gannon
Last edited by Mathos, 3:45 PM on Feb 29, 2008
#13
3:02 AM Mar 1 2008 2008
paOol
Joined: Mar 2008

i love/hate how Marth is on the top for each list. Marth is the worst matchup against diddy =\.

#14
3:18 AM Mar 1 2008 2008
Zephy
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How come C.Falcon be so low? (on every list as well).
#15
5:49 AM Mar 1 2008 2008
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Quote (originally posted by Zephy):
How come C.Falcon be so low? (on every list as well).


His ability to combo, hit box, ko power, moves, grab/throws all got worse. Falcon got hugely nurfed imo

As for mathos bringing up wolf. I agree he has good smashes, he just one of the characters that when i look at I think the better people get the worse he is going to get (much like Ike). His recovery can be gimped as few can in this game, and his smashes while good he doesnt really have any good moves to combo into them, his projectile is worthless. I dunno I heard you played him so maybe i just need to
play mathos wolf to see the light! haha. Seriously though from what ive played/seen of him i think hes a mid tier character.
#16
9:08 AM Mar 1 2008 2008
Mathos
Joined: Mar 2007

Gimped recovery? How so, its nearly the same as Fox and Falco.
But I completely disagree about the projectile.
With wolf if you keep your spacing, it makes it really difficult to figure out how to come in. The only inherent problem I see with Wolf is that his moves have just a dash too much of lag. So they are punishable to a degree.

And the only reason I believe Marth is top tier at the moment is because he's one of the few that have the same general style from Melee.

But a question I have is why everyone is putting Dedede so high? He's big, slow, no recovery, ridiculously laggy moves. I doubt his chaingrab is the only quality placing him so high. Is CoK missing out on something or are we just playing him wrong?
#17
11:52 AM Mar 1 2008 2008
DADDY
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Joined: Feb 2008

wolf's recovery is ****ing imba. you barely have time to set up a defense against that beast. also, wolf can use teh shine JSUT as well as the others. hes gonna be good.
#18
1:07 PM Mar 1 2008 2008
Help
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Lol Mario is like pretty low on there every time cept on Mathos who doesnt even have Mario on his tier list ><.
#19
1:20 PM Mar 1 2008 2008
mario-man
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Joined: Feb 2008

lol actually Boolossus treated him right
#20
2:42 PM Mar 1 2008 2008
Ryan_K
Joined: Feb 2008

Quote (originally posted by Mathos):

But a question I have is why everyone is putting Dedede so high? He's big, slow, no recovery, ridiculously laggy moves. I doubt his chaingrab is the only quality placing him so high. Is CoK missing out on something or are we just playing him wrong?


Huh?

DDD's recovery is beast, 4 jumps and a super high up b with super armor when it ascends and spikes when it comes down, making it risky to edgeguard not to mention the stars protect him a bit when he lands. It goes with his momentum and it can't auto sweetspot coming up but you can still cancel it to grab the edge and can DI when you get into freefall.

His moves have lag but it's not that bad. His tilts are like his best moves imo because they are fast and have range, plus his dtilt and utilt have good killing potential and his bair is good.

While I agree he is overrated I think you are underrating him a bit.

I think the big problem with making a tier list so early is aside from lack of experience also melee is still fresh so instead of it being based on brawl I see alot of judgement around saying "this character is bad because these things got changed from melee" as opposed to "this character is bad because he lacks/has these weaknesses".
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