The Worst "___" Thread - wall cling/ wall jump(updated)

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#1
9:50 AM Dec 20 2008 2008
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The Worst "___" Thread
Well after seeing the best "______" move thread it only makes since to have the worst. It makes since. This way people know what moves not to use. Although we have a worst move in brawl its not very organized. So lets start disccusion.

Also don't say captain falcon for every category we all know that not true. lol
Who will be the bigger loser in brawl?

Results:

Standard A Jab - Meta knight (post 1- 28 )
Ftilt - captain falcon honrable mention:jiggs(post29-75)
Utilt -ganon(ehhh?) (post 76-88 )
Dtilt - Mario (post 77-118 )

Usmash - diddy, meta knight (post 118-153)
Dsmash - Jigglypuff (post 153-200)
Fsmash - ZSS (post 201-212)


Fair - falco(212-224)
Dair - shiek, Zss(225-273)
Uair - Charizard(274-314)
Bair - lucas (302-326)(slow down)
Nair - bowser(314-366)
Zair - lucas(366-384)

Standard B - Ganon, squirtle, GAW(367-424)
Forward B - squrit (424-461)
Down B - lucario ,honorable mention:mario(very very very situational)(462-520) I hope I cleared up the problems with this move choice Sorry for the mistake.
Up B - Jiggs(not dissscused)

Dash Attack - luigi(521-588(
Get Up Attack -(skipped)
Ledge Attack (under 100%) - TBA
Ledge Attack (Over 100%) - TBA

Glide - charizard(631-633)
Glide Attack - Charizard
Wall Jump - TBA
Wall Cling - TBA

Grab - TBA
Shield Grab - TBA
Dash Grab - TBA

Grab Pummel - TBA
Forward Throw - TBA
Down Throw - TBA
Up Throw - TBA
Back Throw - TBA

Shield - 521-523
Roll - TBA
Spot Dodge - TBA
Air Dodge - TBA

Projectile - TBA
Final Smash - TBA
Worst Attack in Brawl - TBA

Worst Moveset in Brawl - TBA

Last edited by Hichez, 11:34 AM on Jan 24, 2009
#2
10:04 AM Dec 20 2008 2008
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I'm assuming we are starting with jabs?

I'm gonna have to go with zelda.  It does little damage and I've never seen it put to good use.
#3
10:09 AM Dec 20 2008 2008
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How about jigglyuff. Its just doesn't have a large enough hit box for most characters. This is a bad thing since most attacks in general have more priority or range.
#4
11:04 AM Dec 20 2008 2008
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metaknight...by far (no joke either)

Quote (originally posted by Simna ibn Sind):
Don't even get Newton started on Big Blue.

#5
11:23 AM Dec 20 2008 2008
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I doubt it
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11:38 AM Dec 20 2008 2008
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why not, it's easy to DI, one tap is an automatic 9 hit combo (meaning you have no control), since it's a jab it has low priority and each hit only does like 1 or 2%, and since it's easy to DI, it leads to nothing and is a horrible GTFO move

and it doesn't kill, not even at 999%

jiggs's can lead to an fsmash, zelda is a decent GTFO move and has disjointed priority

the only other character who i think has a jab you shouldn't use might be marth, but his is far superior to meta's and they both have moves that can cover the lack of a good jab

Quote (originally posted by Simna ibn Sind):
Don't even get Newton started on Big Blue.

Last edited by Mood4food77, 11:39 AM on Dec 20, 2008
#7
12:01 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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MK's has its uses. Falcon's is bad, its so easy to get out of and punish. Puffs is obviously bad. Maybe pikachu's.
#8
12:15 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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MK's is the worst, there is no reason I could think of using it. Not even because his other moves are better, but it's just bad at everything. Adding to what M4F said, it's also really easy to punish.

CF's can link well to his other moves and it serves it's purpose in building damage and as an escape move.
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12:15 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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Quote (originally posted by mycathatesyou):
MK's has its uses. Falcon's is bad, its so easy to get out of and punish. Puffs is obviously bad. Maybe pikachu's.

Pikachu's can be used to partially lock opponents in certain stages. Plus it increases the chance of tripping as a side effect.


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12:17 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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jigglypuff. btw, u spelled "discussion" wrong...lol.....just saying. icon_wink
#11
12:18 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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everyone's jab can practically do that veggi
#12
12:50 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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Meta's Dsmash comes out faster than his Jab, imagine that. Well, actually, most of Meta's moves come out faster than his Jab, which is quite sad for a Jab. Its only use is for wall infinites. That, in my opinion, makes it the worst Jab, period.

Edit - Even then, it's not an infinite. The opponent will usually be knocked out of the Jab at around 200%.

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#13
12:59 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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My vote goes for MetaKnight. The jab is just an awful move, and any good MetaKnight player should just not use it, period.
#14
1:00 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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jigglypuffs by a mile
#15
1:00 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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First, the word is "sense" not "since"

Obviously this one should go to MK, feel free to already skip to move #2. Falcon and Jiggs' jab can at least follow up with grabs or something, the closest thing to MK's jab having a follow up is Dsmash, and if that hits you, you're not DI'ing right (or shielding ...) Did you know you can powershield MK's jab DURING the move? that's terrible, even if you catch an opponent by surprise and hit them with the first hit, they'll powershield and punish you during the move. That's pretty ****ing bad
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1:40 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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Does anyone disagree?

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2:01 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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Jiggz Jab can Jab-cancel in a grab, can jab lock, and can lead to an Fsmash once in a while.

Zelda's is actually hard to punish since it has very little start-up and cooldown lag, and can lead to a Dash Attack (and Fsmash if they DI bad) at lower %s.

Meta's only point for his Jab is for Jab-wall-locks, seriously.

#18
2:08 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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Hmm...Pika's jab might compete IMO.

It's range is horrible, is just as easy to escape, and only covers one side of the stupid rat. -_-
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2:13 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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Pika's Jab has disjointed range, actually. It has more range than one would think it would actually have. It can also trip and can Jab lock.

#20
2:15 PM Dec 20 2008 2008
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Pika's jab is disjointed, exactly. It's a pretty GOOD jab actually.
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