~ Stage Counterpicking List ~ - originally posted by Gea

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~ Stage Counterpicking List ~
~ Stage Counterpicking List ~ <!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Majority of the credit currently goes to DogySamich, who posted this in another topic. Additional edits and information provided by me. We are going to do this list right, giving careful consideration to every character, even if it is an easy matchup.

IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: For characters with more than one stage under each listing, all stages should be avoided. Obviously this is not possible. Use your best judgement and general comfort with each stage to choose what to ban and what to counterpick. However, keep in mind that some stages ARE more slanted than others on this list, such as Mute City over Dreamland 64 for Peach and Final Destination over Pokemon Stadium for the Ice Climbers.


Fox:
- Ban | Yoshi’s Story - Green Greens - Onett - Peach's Castle
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Brinstar - Mute City - Mushroom Kingdom II*

Falco:
- Ban | Fountain of Dreams - Final Destination
- Counterpick | Mute City - Corneria - Mushroom Kingdom II*

Marth:
- Ban | Yoshi’s Story
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Corneria - Jungle Japes

Peach
- Ban | Mute City - Dreamland 64
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Yoshi’s Story

Sheik
- Ban | Battlefield**
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Corneria

Captain Falcon***
- Ban | Final Destination - Pokefloats - Dreamland 64 - Rainbow Cruise
- Counterpick | Fountain of Dreams - Mute City

Samus****
- Ban | Mute City - Dreamland 64 - Pokemon Stadium
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Donkey Kong 64

Jigglypuff
- Ban | Mute City - Dreamland 64 - Donkey Kong 64
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Corneria - Yoshi’s Story

Doctor Mario
- Ban | Your worst stage that isn't a neutral.
- Counterpick | Your best obscure stage (Brinstar, Jungle Japes, Rainbow Cruise, Pokefloats, Green Greens, Donkey Kong 64, etc)

Ganondorf
- Ban | Yoshi’s Story
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Corneria

Mario
- Ban | Dreamland 64 (or your personal worst stage)
- Counterpick | Your best obscure stage (Brinstar, Jungle Japes, Rainbow Cruise, Pokefloats, Green Greens, Donkey Kong 64, etc)

Ice Climbers
- Ban | Final Destination - A lesser extent Pokemon Stadium
- Counterpick | Rainbow Cruise - Pokefloats - Jungle Japes

Luigi
- Ban | Dreamland 64 - Yoshi’s Story - Green Greens
- Counterpick | Pokefloats - Rainbow Cruise

Link
- Ban | Dreamland 64
- Counterpick |Donkey Kong 64

Roy
- Ban | Yoshi’s Story - Fountain of Dreams
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Pokemon Stadium

Donkey Kong
- Ban | Yoshi’s Story - Jungle Japes - Brinstar
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Corneria

Pikachu
- Ban | Battlefield - Yoshi’s Story
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Pokemon Stadium

Zelda
- Ban |
- Counterpick |

Ness
- Ban | Corneria - Green Greens
- Counterpick | Jungle Japes - Yoshi’s Story

Young Link
- Ban |
- Counterpick |

Yoshi
- Ban |
- Counterpick |

Kirby
- Ban | Donkey Kong 64 - Jungle Japes
- Counterpick |

Mr. Game and Watch
- Ban |
- Counterpick |

Bowser
- Ban | Yoshi’s Story - Jungle Japes
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Corneria

Mewtwo
- Ban | Dreamland 64 - Battlefield
- Counterpick | Yoshi’s Story - Jungle Japes

Pichu
- Ban | Corneria
- Counterpick | Final Destination - Pokemon Stadium

* Cyphus told me Mushroom Kingdom II works wonders vs Space. I know that it's a commonly good Doc stage; but I personally have terrible luck on there, so I've never counterpicked it. (Definately have to start since people keep banning Corneria on me )

** Almost all stages in this matchup don't give huge advantages to either. If you have a really uncomfortable stage besides Battlefield, ban it instead.

*** Many Falcon players counterpick to Pokefloats. If you know they do not, do not ban it.

**** Samus is a toughie to ban. You have to consider 3 things
- Does the samus edgeguard very well? If not, lean towards banning Mute City because they dont have to worry about edgeguarding you as much (Since up+b onto the platform is a baaad choice)
- Is the samus one that you know you'll knock around alot? If so, then lean towards banning Dreamland 64? Why? Samus may want to live longer than you (I say may because I played against Watty at Pound2, and he banned Dreamland 64 against me. Blew my mind)
- Is the samus missle heavy or extremely technical? If so, you may want to consider banning Pokemon Stadium so you dont have to contend with missle tricks. This ban doesnt outweight the other 2 by any means, but if you know your samus is notorious for Pokemon Stadium, dont be too afraid to ban it.

As for Bowser and DK, if you wonder why not to give them Yoshi’s Story, it's because that stage is about the same to them as it is to marth, including up.tilt platform rape. You always want to be careful of Jungle Japes since they can just fortress/spinning kong for days and stay invincible
#2
3:50 PM Jun 17 2010 2010
xzx
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Nice!
#3
10:46 PM Nov 27 2010 2010
Raysa
Sage
Joined: Feb 2010

pretty good, but why counterpick fd against fox?
Last edited by Raysa, 4:18 PM on Dec 04, 2010
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