Hey all. I think it's about time we got the ball rolling on all of Melee's Stadium badges. Please give input here, and in the meantime here's my tentative plans:

Badges shared with Brawl
Slugger: 60k HRC
Super Slugger: 90k HRC
Classic King
Home-Run King
Multi-Man King

Unique Melee Badges
All Star King
10-Man Melee Inter: sub-3:10?
100-Man Melee Inter: sub-1 hour
(need ideas for other inter MMM badges, as well as names)
10-Man Melee Pro: sub-3:00 (10MM happens to be the only MMM mode with a clearly defined pro barrier imo)
BtT Inter: sub-5?
BtT Pro: sub-3:30 (again, names are needed)

You may be wondering why Melee is getting the MMM/B badges before Brawl. Well, it's simple really. Melee has seen enough activity to be able to come up with proper thresholds while Brawl is still a bit of a question mark, and with Brawl there could be some new technique discovered in the future that completely eradicates any thresholds we put into place now.

*points to 1pTT*

Recently I made some clearly defined Inter/Pro barriers for every mode. I've been trying to get input from the remaining (albeit small) Melee Stadium community regarding appropriate thresholds for each rank. I know it's a little late in the game to be doing something like that, but I say it's about time we have formal Inter/Pro barriers set for all modes.

Imo anything that qualifies as Pro or better under the ranking system in that thread deserves a badge.

EDIT: I made an Event Match high-score and discussion thread for Melee Stadium. Any chance of it getting stickied? ^_^

EDIT 2: I'll take that as a "no". <_<

Yeah, I went through your thread. It's an invaluable resource and I want you to know how much I appreciate it.

Here's some feedback mode-by-mode:

10MM inter: 3:10 is honestly extremely easy. For most characters you can complete strats that get within .3 of the WR in like 5 minutes. So, it may seem really close to the 3:00 pro barrier but I think it is reasonable, especially when you have my guide outlining like every strat ever put to use along with videos.

100MM: sub 1-hour for inter and sub-50 mins for pro sounds okay to me.

3MM: 3500 and 4500 is probably okay.

15MM: I'd stick with 10k and 20k. This is kind of a weird mode since scores are all or nothing.

EM: This is where the pro barrier is pretty fuzzy. 10k sounds good for inter but the fact that scores have no reasonable ceiling makes it hard to pinpoint a line for pro. 30k implies a little over 1000 per character which might be alright, but it sounds a little on the easy side if anything  (and it's 50k from the WR).

CM: This is the most troublesome one to me, especially since with your divisions you can be a pro while playing only 1 character. Same could be said for EM's inter but if you can get 10k in EM with a single character, you definitely are at least inter skillwise.

Thank you ND. ^_^

10MM - I agree that 3:10 is pretty easy. I have 3:13, and I didn't even really try with most characters. Maybe I'll change it so that Beginner is 3:10+,  Advanced is 3:05 to sub-3:10, and Professional is sub-3:00. Does that sound more reasonable?

15MM - Anything under 15k in this mode means that one likely haven't completed it with every character, and therefore hasn't put any effort into it. Inter should take at least a small amount of effort. Skill-wise, I think pro should be 21k. I have 20.9k, and that total wasn't THAT hard.

EM - Endless Melee is one of the most frustrating modes imo. It's so easy to get, like, 1000 KOs with almost no damage, then you get hit, drop your Screw Attack, and 100 KOs later, you're dead.

CM - It's true that someone could easily reach my pro threshold with only one character. But even if I set the pro barrier at 100,000 KOs, one could hypothetically reach that with only two characters, and none of the others would really matter. So no matter where I set the thresholds, that's going to be true. 5000 KOs means you've put quite a bit of time and effort into that mode, whether "time and effort" means herding with every character, or a single Samus run, so I think that deserves to be called pro.

Also, Inter in HRC is currently 50k, and I think it was 50k even under the most recent GameFAQs inter topic, so make Slugger 50k plz. ^_^

Oh - as for the badge names, I think "Melee 100MM Inter Player" or whatever for the title, and "Subbed 1-hour in 100-Man Melee!" or whatever for the description is appropriate.

I think you should have badges rewarding people who're incredibly good at the mode.

Example would be HRC Legend for 110-120k+ not shared with Melee.

I say use TrekLink's barriers.

In response to your request for another HRC badge, I want to share a concern I've had. With the addition of the Melee badges, Stadium will be the section of the site with by far the most badges. I would like to keep some sort of balance in mind, which is why I was hesitant to go along with pro MMM badges in the first place (originally I was planning on only inter). I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with stadium having a ton of badges, but again, I think there has to be a balance. This is one of the reasons why I wanted some badges to overlap Melee/Brawl.

Another thing: I personally prefer that Super Slugger for Melee be 100k but put down 90k based on your comments. Yes, 100k doesn't correspond to Brawl's 130k, but Melee is also a much harder game and I don't see why that shouldn't be reflected in the badge.

Before I finalize any barriers I'm hoping others will provide feedback as well. Hopefully someone can get SW to take a look at it.

Trek, about the topic stickying. I'm gonna reorganize the topics like they are with Brawl (1 sticky containing all the links). The amount of stickies here is too much.

another random thing: please someone make a topic in site feedback expressing your discontent about Melee not being done yet. I would but I feel I've already been really annoying about it >_>

If super slugger is gonna be 90k give it to me then :D

Also I think the btt inter badge should be sub 4:15 or sub 4:00

Am I the only person who thinks that 90k is a little low for a badge in hrc? especially for brawl, 90k isnt what i'd call "super"
imo, 120k melee badge <_<

Having inter, pro, and wr badges is PLENTY enough, I think. Let's not get TOO carried away.

So what's wrong with having a lot of badges? Stadium is a very in-depth mode, so naturally it's going to have a lot. Wasn't the whole point of having badges for Stadium to encourage more people to play? In that case, I say the more the merrier. To a point at least.

The only problem I see with having a lot of badges is how they're going to be distributed. Proof has to be gathered to recieve a Stadium badge, right? That's a lot of approving that's going to have to be done when this thing goes live, at least at first. But we can always hire more Stadium mods to hand out badges if the current ones need help.

Isn't that what I suggested doing with the stickies in the first place? XP

If nobody else wants to then I'll do it. I feel I've been really annoying about it too, but you gotta do what you gotta do... <_<

Inter is considered 8:00 under the current ranking system, so I think 8:00 is a good threshold. I have 3:55 and I consider that to be a better-than-inter-but-not-quite-pro total. 4:00 is just harsh.

Says the 2nd highest total HRCer in the entire world. >_>

I really do want Melee Super Slugger to be 100k. Can people live with that?
And what's with this 8:00 for BtT inter? I think 5:00 is lenient enough.

If Super Slugger for Brawl is 130k, hell no.

145k for Super Slugger in Brawl would justify 100k Melee.

If you're going to move BTT around move 10MM to make it slightly less demanding =.=;

As I said earlier, I don't see a problem with Melee's 100k not corresponding to Brawl's 130k because I think it's okay for the harder requirement to reflect the harder game.

And 10MM is not demanding. In fact, it's probably like the easiest inter threshold there >_>

I know it isn't hard, but... I can't be bothered to get sub 3 for the badge >_>;

While 100k would make a more aesthetically pleasing barrier, It doesn't make a logical cutoff point from what is currently considered pro. Pro is currently 90k+, and since the pro-level metagame is pretty much done being developed, I don't see any reason to increase it further. Function before form, please.

My 1pTT currently extends down to sub 8:00, and it seemed to be 8:30 or 9:00 before. Iirc, that was around whatever the threshold for inter on GameFAQs. The cutoff for inter for the 1pTT for HRC was 50k before I started running it, and that IS what's considered inter, right? And BtT should be the same then, too, right? Therefore that is the threshold that I consider to be inter.

If enough Melee BtT players (like, three <_<) want me to increase the lower inter limit to 5:00 in the 1pTT, then I will, and that can be the inter badge requirement as well. I think 5:00 is leniant enough, too.

Qft.

I don't care enough about Brawl to bother checking, but isn't 160k-ish the ths wr for Brawl HRC? 145k is cutting it a little too close, I think. Just like 100k Melee is cutting it a little too close.

I think a 3:00 cutoff for 10MM pro and 3:10 cutoff for 10MM inter is perfectly reasonable, especially with NDs guide. And I say that as someone who flat-out sucks at that mode. <_<

If Brawl is the easier game, than it's standards should be set to be harder and harsher than Melee's to compensate, if anything.

I agree that 3:10/3:00 is a reasonable cutoff for 10MM inter/pro, but I disagree that it's the easiest inter/pro threshold there - that would probably go to Training Mode (100k/300k) or Adventure (50m/100m) or All-Star (25m/50m). If you don't reach inter or even pro in those modes, you're just not trying. <_<

I can't be bothered to do it either, but you don't see me complaining. It IS a logical cuttof point, and it IS considered the threshold for pro. <_<

I honestly do not remember BtT inter being 8 or 9 minutes. Maybe there was at one point a combined beginner/inter topic and they only ranked totals better than 10 minutes? Regardless, I think 5:00 is an appropriate place to set it because to be honest 5:00 is pretty easy. 8 or 9 minutes is braindead easy provided you look up some strategies.

I'm pretty sure inter on gamefaqs used to 5:30, but that was back when pro was 4:00. 5:00 for inter seems pretty good when pro is 3:30. The only reason I included totals that high on the original list was because there were so many more names on the hrc list than the btt list and I didn't see a need to cut off after inter when all the lists combined didn't equal the pro list in hrc.

regardless of what's considered pro, 100k is still not really a hard thing to achieve...

nobody ever said these badges had to be determined by the pro levels....xd

Ooooooh, I see. So does everyone agree on 5:00 for inter, and for the badge? I'll have to change the ranks around in the 1pTT then. Maybe I'll do that later tonight.

Says the 2nd highest total HRCer in the world. >_>

100m All-Star isn't hard to get, but I think it's too high of a cutoff point for pro, considering that only two people in the world have done it.

They don't HAVE to be. But I don't see why it would be based on anything else. It isn't logical to me to have a "HRC Pro" badge that isn't set to where "Pro" is. I just don't see any reason to not base it on what is considered pro. The idea that a player can be considered a pro player and not recieve a badge for it is just kinda dumb to me.

EDIT: Am I correct in assuming that when an inter player reaches pro, their inter badge will be revoked? And if a pro player becomes the wr ths holder, their pro badge will be revoked, and the old wr ths holder will have his King badge revoked? Naturally, the King badge would have a higher point value than the pro badge, and pro higher than the inter badge, I would think.

The King badge will always stay as you earnt it at one point.

here's my idea on this...this is only my opinion based on things i've observed

firstly, we have to remember the topic systems from gfaqs. if your total was below the pro cutoff, you were expected to converse mostly with those in the inter topic. after hitting pro (90k right now), you would be "allowed" to post in the pro hrc topic. 



in other words, 90k is the accepted point when you are able to fluently converse with pros and understand their concepts, NOT necessarily the point at which you play at a pro level. the 90k limit was only put into place so that beginners wouldnt have to bother pros with their questions. the pro level obviously serves a different function now. a BADGE is a source of pride from an accomplishment, not a point at which they will stop annoying pros if they ask them questions. In this sense, the limit should probably be revised because pro means something completely different now that there is only one topic. 


if you ask me, the pro  badge level for hrc and possibly other games is generally too low...the difference between 90k and 130k (sin lawlz) is imo farrrrr too great to generalize the entire 40k in between the bottom and the top of pro