Well I thought the reasons against Jort were pretty obvious -- as there are now 4 votes against him -- but I guess not.

I didn't post my opinions because most of them align with Magnum's.

Firstly, Jort is trying to tell us to focus on the mafia and not worry about the SK. It has already been pointed out that this is a very bad idea. Why on earth would anyone think otherwise? Sure, SK has a "chance" of hitting mafia but the odds are against us. Not to mention that the SK is working as hard as he can to make everyone else LOSE.

It should be SOOOO obvious that the SK is very anti-town simply by looking at the night kills. I agree with SRB's analysis of "Decus has a big sword and thus slashed Delvro (and not SRB) to death". If this is true as I believe it is, then the SK is doing a better job of hurting the town than the mafia is, IMO. If the SK killed Delvro, then the SK killed someone who ALMOST EVERYBODY was getting major town vibes from (myself, Leafy, Magna, Magnum, and SRB all said Delvro was probably town). Guess who the ONLY person that thought Delvro was scum? Peeka.

Peeka and The Jort have quite a few things that connect them. Firstly, there's Jort's day 1 vote. After spending the ENTIRE DAY not voting and saying that he doesn't want to vote unless it really counts, he votes Magna under pressure. What kind of a vote is that? The case on Magna was already beaten to death (mostly by Peeka), and the Jort brought no new evidence against him, all he did was restate many of Peeka's points. So with nothing new to add, why wait so long to vote?

I would say that one of them has to be Magnatoon. Twice now I've seen him go after people who suspect him. First he somewhat tried to put suspicion on Peeka when Peeka was going after him. Then he tried to place suspicion on you when you said some things about him. Along with that he quickly bandwagoned on TW while adding nithing at all. In fact, he didn't even say anything else in his post. It was just his vote. He also made an unpressured claim which seemed like he was trying to get a little suspicion off of DK while also trying to get us to believe he's innocent and just a vanilla townie.

Also, the Jort was one of the few people that Peeka said on multiple occasions that he thought Jort was innocent. Since nobody had a clue that the SK would have a partner at the time, I'm sure Peeka could feel very safe in defending Jort.

With the Alice is obsessed with Decus, I imagined the ability that hasn't been revealed yet to be something like a seer or tracker. You know, like a stalker. It was my personal theory that Peeka wasn't harming the town.

Well I thought the reasons against Jort were pretty obvious -- as there are now 4 votes against him -- but I guess not.

I didn't post my opinions because most of them align with Magnum's.

Firstly, Jort is trying to tell us to focus on the mafia and not worry about the SK. It has already been pointed out that this is a very bad idea. Why on earth would anyone think otherwise? Sure, SK has a "chance" of hitting mafia but the odds are against us. Not to mention that the SK is working as hard as he can to make everyone else LOSE.

It should be SOOOO obvious that the SK is very anti-town simply by looking at the night kills. I agree with SRB's analysis of "Decus has a big sword and thus slashed Delvro (and not SRB) to death". If this is true as I believe it is, then the SK is doing a better job of hurting the town than the mafia is, IMO. If the SK killed Delvro, then the SK killed someone who ALMOST EVERYBODY was getting major town vibes from (myself, Leafy, Magna, Magnum, and SRB all said Delvro was probably town). Guess who the ONLY person that thought Delvro was scum? Peeka.

Peeka and The Jort have quite a few things that connect them. Firstly, there's Jort's day 1 vote. After spending the ENTIRE DAY not voting and saying that he doesn't want to vote unless it really counts, he votes Magna under pressure. What kind of a vote is that? The case on Magna was already beaten to death (mostly by Peeka), and the Jort brought no new evidence against him, all he did was restate many of Peeka's points. So with nothing new to add, why wait so long to vote?

Also, the Jort was one of the few people that Peeka said on multiple occasions that he thought Jort was innocent. Since nobody had a clue that the SK would have a partner at the time, I'm sure Peeka could feel very safe in defending Jort.

So no, I don't think the Jort is mafia. I strongly feel that he is SK.

Also, I HAVE given plenty of reasons for my votes in the past. I practically wrote an essay when I voted Peeka.
GBRUTE, I have to wonder why you're singling me out when 1) you're wrong, and 2) I'm looking right now at two other Jort voters who didn't give a whit of an explanation and you didn't even bat an eye. Care to explain why you didn't ask Eki the same thing you asked me?

Also, Gbrute, you say that the dead Indy wasn't hurting the town. How do you know? Not everything about the role of Alice has been revealed yet. May not be a wolf, but anyone who isn't town is scum* and has to be dead at the end of the game anyway. For all we know, Alice took over the SK role if/when Decus died. It was better than lynching a townie, wasn't it?

*the one exception to this rule is of course the role survivor

I leveled with you, saying you have posted reasoning in the past.
But, my problem was that we had to ask you for your reasoning. You never just gave it to us.

With the Alice is obsessed with Decus, I imagined the ability that hasn't been revealed yet to be something like a seer or tracker. You know, like a stalker. It was my personal theory that Peeka wasn't harming the town.

no no no. alice dosent like decus. she thinks he's icky.

You are a Alice, of Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. You are
extremely sadistic, and have joined the Vanguard, a group that supports
Sylvaranti rights, because it allows you to abuse people in a
semi-legal way. You give girls you hate and boys you like special
nicknames. You love Decus- but won't let him, or anyone, know that!

no no no. alice dosent like decus. she thinks he's icky.

If Alice flips stalker/watcher/tracker, i will willing sacrifice my first born child to satan.

also srb already explained the case between alice/decus. when decus dies, alice goes bonkers and starts killing people. that's why i thought maybe she became SK when decus died.

peekajoo coulda been lying for all we know. we only know he was an indy.

Well let's see here.....

I would say that one of them has to be Magnatoon. Twice now I've seen him
go after people who suspect him. First he somewhat tried to put
suspicion on Peeka when Peeka was going after him. Then he tried to
place suspicion on you when you said some things about him. Along with
that he quickly bandwagoned on TW while adding nithing at all. In fact,
he didn't even say anything else in his post. It was just his vote. He
also made an unpressured claim which seemed like he was trying to get a
little suspicion off of DK while also trying to get us to believe he's
innocent and just a vanilla townie.

The second one I don't really even have too great of suspicion on, but I would say he's
the second until I reread the thread. I would say WK. As Peeka said,
he bandwagoned TW only to have a lynch. He wasn't even suspicious of
the guy. I find no good reason to vote someone you don't find
suspicious even if you're just trying to lynch. Yeah it can get you a
few reads on people, but I don't think it's worth it especially if
people are voting him for a "slipup" that wasn't really even a slip up.
What TW said made perfect sense to me. And he didn't even try to ask
for a deadline extension. That could have helped us. Luckily Sprite
gave us one anyway. Also, when Peeka attacked him, he didn't really
even defend himself. Pretty much all he did was just say that Magna did
the same thing. Two people doing something wrong doesn't make it right
and whenever Peeka does go after Magna, people just say he's tunneling.
He should at least take responsibility and defend himself a little.

You know what? I think I'll vote for Magna. I actually kinda like the evidence I got on him. Thoughts?

You keep going up in my suspicion
list, TW. You're just going to let Dots off the hook? If you're trying
to get info from Dots and you think she isn't explaining well enough,
then you keep up the pressure and eventually force her to come out with
it.
Why do you agree with that evidence? It's not even
that good. I really think that Peeka is town. He's barely done anything
Anti-town and the rest of the time he was wolf hunting.

I also think that when Peeka put himself as scum on his suspicion list
that he was joking. It can't see it as a slip up. A wolf would pretty
much have to be stupid to make a slip up like that. If he is a wolf and
did that, then he has a plan as for why he did it.

I don't like the bandwagon on Peeka. There isn't really any good evidence.

10. Peekajoo - Looking Town still. Actively giving opinions and wolf
hunting although the bandwagon has me questioning him.

Peeka's
case on Magna used different evidence than what I brought up, so I'm
not supporting "his case." Peeka was only attacking WK for voting just
to lynch. I did use that in mine, but I also used stuff of my own and
stuff that I have already said.

What are you talking about?
I'm not "buddying a townie who was a likely lynch." I've said this
whole game that I believe Peeka is town and that I disagree with a
lynch on him. I believe there was only one post where I wasn't so sure
on him and it was when assasin had been brought up.

Oh yeah new list.
01. Watermelon Kirby Scum
02. Wherewolf Town
03. Eki Scum
04. Riddle Dacidbro Town
05. Obachuka Town
06. GBrute Town
07. Zack Eklipse TheNix Scum
08. Magnatoon scum
09. Traveling Town
10. Peekajoo Scum
11. Drugs! Scum
12. Tornado Scum
13. Leafy Town
14. Simpleblast Town
15. TehBrawlGuy Scum
16. Galakazoo Blue Town
17. Ryker The Jort Town
18. Magic Magnum Town
19. Mayling Town
20. Raptor Town
21. Delvro Scum
22. Demon Kirby Scum

Funny, I only called the people that
bandwagoned on me scum.  The fact that after dacid said Kill peeka you
and TW were like K makes me think both of you were mafia.  Stop saying
I'm tizocing when I'm not brah.
Also, I thought most of my suspicions were self-explanatory, but I guess not.
01. Watermelon Kirby Scum-The fact that he only voted to have a lynch makes me think hes scum
02. Wherewolf Town, but lurking.
03. Eki Scum-same old same old.
04. Riddle Dacidbro Town-same as before.
05. Obachuka Town-same as before.
06. GBrute Town same as before.
07. Zack Eklipse TheNix Scum Voted Tcat becuase she Voted No lynch, without
mentioning anyone else who did a the time.  Not wanting to lynch does
have its advantages.
08. Magnatoon scum Obvious.
09. Traveling Town- Hasn't done anything that strikes me like shes scum
10. Peekajoo Scum
11. Drugs! Scum-Was inactive and discretiding my offense on magna only to
discredit it, dippin dots subbed and right after she voted for me.
12. Tornado Scum-He voted for me because dacid said so, and then afterwards
gave faulty reasoning behind the vote and then didn't know why she was
voting for me.
13. Leafy Town- Same as before
14. Simpleblast Town-Same as before.
15. TehBrawlGuy Scum-Directly voted for me after dacid said so, and
completely ignored my defense after I posted it and after I told him to
pay attention to it.
16. Galakazoo Blue Town The blue lynch sounds like BS to me.
17. Ryker The Jort Town Same as before.
18. Magic Magnum Town Same as before.
19. Mayling Town She is actually offering everything to anything she voted for.
20. Raptor Town- Same as before.
21. Delvro Scum-He's been waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too agreeing for my liking.
22. Demon Kirby Scum-The claim isn't completly trustworthy, although he is less scummy to me then before.

First off, last game I was only "non-commital" because I was so busy it's not even funny.
Second,
I do this every game. I don't like just jumping around with my votes
unless I think I'm sure. It's just part of the way I play. I haven't
been sure who I think is wolf this game. I gonna try and reread parts
of the thread find suspicion since it's the weekend.
While it's true that it seems like you can't get suspicion on me for voting, you can still get suspicion on me in other ways. Asking me questions, seeing who I defend, how I defend them, etc. In most
games, you can learn a lot about me by the peopleI defend as do it very
often. Especially this game. I've defended tons this game. I seem to
defend people way more than others. If you want suspicion on me, get
that way.

That's what happens when you take so long to start a new day phase.

also I would really like to see something more useful out of eki, nix, dots, dacidbro, watermelon kirby, demon kirby, and....*copy pastes entire player list, omitting magnum and mayling* you guys are lazy lazy.

I like the way things are going I don't think I need to add anything. Uselessly talking isn't helpful.

I don't at all like this post, it hits me entirely the wrong way.

I'm sorry?

Well you've voted before Jort has posted multiple defenses of himself, some of which I have yet to even address.  I've purposely avoided addressing some of the things he has said to see how other people respond and I will get to them soon.

You're opinion of him has apparently not changed yet you have said nothing about his defenses and you have not added anything to further the argument against him.  When some of his defenses haven't even been addressed by him, you still have nothing to add?

Further, regardless of the situation concerning Jort, just telling us that you approve of the current suspects or w/e is useful to us.  To not post just because does nothing to help the town.  Agreeing or disagreeing or agreeing with something else more requires you pick a side and the people who are most afraid to ever pick a side are wolves because it is safest for them to not commit.

Consider yourself a new suspect of mine.

If the game progresses in a way than all the people that allowed it to progress that way are responsible. If you don't stop it then you are responsible.

I think The Jort has plenty of suspicion on him. His early defences were weak and actually made me elevate him from being just suspicious to convincing me he is evil one way or another. I've stopped reading his recent defences as I don't expect them to be strong or relevant. Possible they might just be trying to divert attention. I don't think everything he says needs to be countered. I don't think there needs to be more added to the argument against him at this time.

My vote on him is my approval. I think we discussed before that I tend to try to find 1 baddie at a time. Not that I ignore everything else, but I have my suspect for today. Maybe finding 2 baddies today would be more productive but we get more information each day and change our decisions. We can't lynch two people even if we find 2 people.

Again I have picked a side. That's the way I see the game and I think it's a great way to play it. I'm not being purposely unproductive, I just don't have anything to add. If someone want's more information from me than I'm giving they can ask, but I try to be as obvious enough that people understand my actions already.