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TrolloLoLoL.

Why is falcon not lower... He's trash

Because everyone below him sucks even more.

samus is way better than falcon... lol

Naw, I really am talking about Ike

I didn't believe it either, until I saw a match of it being used (which I can't seem to find for the life of me, rageragerage)

Ask the SWF Ike boards about it.  It's still pretty situational, but it makes fighting Ike as Squirtle scary on FD.

Not that it matters, I kinda don't care much for characters lower than B-tier.

Care to back that up?
Simply saying x character is better than y character isn't going anywhere.

Samus has projectiles with incredible frametrap capabilities, lagless aerials, above average recover and an incredibly good zair.

Falco has... err... Average grab and a jab that lacks in range.

 

I love how this guy implicitly assumes like I'm some raving Ike main lol.  Mad cute 

Not like people care much for inviable characters like DK either lol. 



wtf Falco's jab doesn't lack in range, it's pretty good for most jabs in the game (frame 2 with that range is really good). 

also his grab may not be DDD's in range, but the reward for getting one is huuuuuuge, and his jab mixups help him get grabs. 

edit: oh, you were talking about captain falcon. 'Dem typos.

As for defending C. Falcon, his air speed is pretty good, his aerials have some decent range especially combining the previously mentioned air speed with them, and he's got a better close range game (even if it's a somewhat small ranged jab, it's still fast which is very useful).  I do think Samus is better though, minus her inability to kill she's got stronger tools overall (including that Zair).

On the subject of snake utilt, in response to it's "inability to land", say that when you're waiting on the ledge or after you've been dthrown.  It's true it's not nearly as effective as it was back in 08, but then again so was MK's aerial SL gimping.

I mained Yoshi. Before I started playing a better game. It's not predictable, really, just straightforward.

Yoshi players need to Egg Throw> Jump. Trust me on that.

You won't get gimped or edgeguarded nearly as much.

Mario's a low tier? I thought He'd be a middle tier since he has a basic jump, power, Reversal, Skills.

The problem is most characters that are extreme are a lot better in this game than "balanced"/well rounded ones. Good examples of this are MK, Snake, Olimar, Wario, etc. There are exceptions to this too (like Jigglypuff), but this is imo a strong enough trend to see easily.

Those that are somewhat well rounded that are high up also have really broken staple tools to enhance that ability, such as Falco, Marth, and Diddy

Mario also has a limited recovery (although good tools offstage) and not so powerful kill options, he's just "eh". The problem is that while he has a lot of tools for different situations, each situation there's usually something the opponent can do to outperform him, especially the higher up in tier you go, where they shut down a lot of his otherwise decent moves.

So what is the opinion of the people who frequent here of who should be 2-4 on the tier list?  I'm big on Diddy, he's so crazy good and his metagame is only getting more scarier in time.  I actually feel Falco's overrated, and Snake should probably be #3.  Not to say Falco's bad, but the only falco that's been doing well on a national scale is DEHF (maybe Shugo, but that's it really), whereas we've had good performances from both Snakes (Ally, Fatal, MVD/Bizkit to a lesser extent) and Diddys (ADHD, Gnes, Felix) in big scale tournaments.

Nobody cares.

Why Falcon is > Samus

Falcon -
has a grab game/grab release to follow ups on high tier characters as well as others.
Better close range game
speed
up air
More ko moves


Samus -
zair
"Frame traps aren't necessarily guaranteed combos"
homing missles
decent planking ability

Frame traps are much more guaranteed than any of Falcon's moves. His jab to grab can also be avoided.
He has a damn good uair and that's pretty much all there is to him.

He has a lot of grab releases to compete with her frame traps. Most of her frame traps come from zair, the most popular probably being zair to grab... What are you going to do after you grab someone with samus pummel them? As for our more common grab release on metaknight grab release -> hyphen smash (or even re-grab which is fairly strict) can either deal decent damage to metaknight or even more likely kill him, it's guaranteed at just about any percent.

The main point to take into consideration though is how long can each character live, how well can a character kill, and overall speed of the character. Falcon beats her in all three of these points.

Both characters are severely limited with their attacks falcon only has u-air and samus only has zair as high priority/useful moves.

*shrugs*

I'll ask xyro sometime what he thinks or you can. I honestly what to know what he thinks. lol

Falcon's matchups are worse, aren't tehy?

Captain Falcon is much better than Samus. He has speed, combos and killing moves. Samus has projectiles but she can't kill anyone until like minimum 100 % LoL. Samus can get juggled too, but CF gets more comboed.

Overall speed doesn't make a char good. Just look at Snake, he is slow as hell, but he is still damn good.

@ccst, no one in Brawl kills before 100% lol

snake isn't slow, he has poor air speed, that's it

his DACUS makes up for his poor running speed and his main attacks have low start-up time

yea, if you kill anyone before 100%, you probably either used a really strong KO move or he killed himself

only DK, ike, snake, and wario can KO you constantly below 100%, other than that, they messed up

Yes? Ganondorf's Dair, Meta Knight's (duuuuuuuuuuh) shuttle loop or D-smash, Wario's fart, Marth's F-smash or Snake's U-tilt for example. Nice try there though.

Ganon's dair sucks and won't hit.
Shuttle loop can only gimp people before 100%
Fart does kill, but it requires charging.
MK's dsmash doesn't kill before 120% from behind which is the stronger hitbox.
Marth's fsmash starts to kill at around 100%.
Snake's utilt doesn't kill before 100%, but about those %.

HA, only Wario was correct.