F1 - How about 120k inter, 140k advanced, 150k pro?

Of course, if we increased the thresholds, we'd have to increase the badge requirements as well. Too bad mods don't have the power to remove badges who no longer qualify for them (something that REALLY needs to change imo).

Nayias: I have no doubt that Cruel Brawl is as challenging as Cruel Melee--if the thresholds are set fairly. Just as a single weak ana from a female in Cruel Melee can spell your doom, a single footstool in Cruel Brawl can have the same effect.

I don't know about this.

I say..

Brawl
100,000ft - Inter
120,000ft - Advanced
130,000ft - Pro
160,000ft - Legend

Melee
60,000ft - Inter
90,000ft - Pro
120,000ft - Legend

And there should be a 3rd badge for legend Status. Ultra Slugger.

In Melee you'd require 120,000ft for Ultra Slugger.

I know I'm pushing it here with a 3rd badge for HRC. But think about it. with there being a 3rd one for 120k melee/160k brawl it would make it so you don't have to worry about changing the badges so tthose who already earned them can keep them.

Also since HRC was always the most popular stadium mode it was played the most.

By the way I always hated the female ones most. They always landed the cheapest hits of the groups. >.>

100k/130k is too low for Brawl inter/pro.

Legend (or whatever) badges have been discussed and were decided against. Badges aren't meant to be a sign of "recognition". They're meant to give new players--those who don't play Stadium to begin with--something to shoot for. As Nintendude pointed out before, someone who is motivated enough to reach pro in either game clearly doesn't need badges to motivate them further. And if they do, then to me, that's a clear sign the thresholds aren't high enough.

This is the exact reason why I didn't push for second level thresholds. Things change and the thresholds get outdated, causing a mess on a site this big. The Target Smash thresholds are pretty hard to get but theoretically they should be getting easier over time (though the modes have stagnated unfortunately). They can always be made more lenient without causing any problems whatsoever. Slugger is really easy but that's ok because 100k is a natural benchmark threshold for new players and imo that makes it more likely that new players will go for it.

btw it's about time to add that WR holder badge. It's been long enough. I think it's actually already there but I instructed it to not be used for awhile because WRs in the first couple years of a game can be pretty trivial. The badge also shouldn't apply to tied records unless it actually takes a tremendous amount of skill to do. Proof is necessary of course.

Seriously? Advanced 130k and Pro 150k at least.

160k for Legend? You're seriously telling me that 160k in Brawl is 120k in Melee? Considering in the 8 years it's been out only 7 people have got 120k in Melee, yet in Brawl in about 2 years well over 20 people now (probably 30 or so, mostly Japanese) have got over 160k and a lot have over 170k (I've seen around 10 people with 50km compilations alone, and there are 5 people above 55km iirc in this order (with proof, Sin not providing any since around 56km for example so if he claimed 60km I wouldn't count it etc) - Desire, Sin, Sate, Pampy, MariKero)...

Hi Guys, happy new year...
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hey traYt
I think 130k is okay for advanced.
maybe 155k or so for pro
since I have 145k or so and I don't rly feel like a pro lol
11 people have 170k atm..
btw 24 people have 50km+ and 29 have 160k+ so 160k is definetly not enough lol
so I'd say 180k for legend is okay since only 5 people have that atm
Sin quit, Desire most probably, marikero only plays sometimes and the others are quite active :3

btw my compile : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yvUPqJO-Bs
and I have 44.3km now since I improved my gaw by getting the 2nd hit of the ada and I have 242% tip with wario now :3

Happy new year trayt :3

I'd say Rukas idea is the best. (im still pro yay)
But I dont like the comparing between melee and brawl.
I have 155k THS in brawl and like 60k in Melee lol

Put some more effort in melee then =P

Not much to say except that I agree.

Says the guy who wants hard Target thresholds. >_> Ideally, wouldn't it be best to have all thresholds in all modes in all games equally easy/difficult, or at least as close as possible? By that logic, the MMM badge should also be given to someone who finishes 15MM/B with more than five characters, so "new players are more likely to go for it" without having to go through the work of every character. Which I think you would agree doesn't warrant a badge.

I'm not saying the threshold should be EXACTLY equal with Melee's 50k, but it should at least be close! As I've said before, aesthetics should never be a deciding factor in these situations.

Somebody should ask Sin what he feels the Brawl equivalent to Melee 50k/90k/120k is. Since he's the best in both, maybe he would have a more unbiased opinion?

I still feel that the wrs have plenty of room for improvement, particularly in the lesser-played modes, just that nobody feels like doing it. Maybe that would give current semi-active Stadium players the boost they need to try harder? I also still feel that badges aren't most of a motivator, but every little bit helps.
 
Remember that there are twice as many people playing Brawl HRC than there ever were playing Melee HRC, so that would mean roughly twice as many people in any given rank. But yes, 160k Brawl isn't even close to 120k Melee.

;_;

My one chance for that badge gone because No1 tied with me in Super Bowser Bros Event with 10 KOs in hard mode..

Oh well. I honestly didn't expect to get the badge anyway as it was likely someone would beat my record before that badge was given.

Okay. I won't complain about what you guy thinks.

100,000ft - Interemiate
130,000ft - Advanced
150,000ft - Pro
175,000ft/180,000ft - Legend

By the way I found some useful tricks to get me 400 KOs for SOME characters in ndless brawl. I'm pretty sure people have been using it though for awhile. With link it works like a charm. with the Fan trap the Alloys with a few hits then quickly uptilt. I should have been doing that to begin with.

everyone uses that trick xD
look at escargon lol
I still say 180k atleast for legend bcuz there is still much room for improvement..
and I don't think anyone here has contact with Sin xD
but tbh I think melee and brawl can't rly be compared imo bcuz I'm quite good in bawl but I just suck in melee lol
and kira has 90k+ in melee but only 37km in brawl so yeah =p
I think it depends on player and on those who rly have good experiences with both games lol

Just as I thought. Too bad some characters don't permanately trap the alloys. Like Marth and fox fot example when the alloys can get out from behind them. Captain Falcon and Rob are just too good with the beam word. x3

charizard seems equal with beam sword and Fan tap.

My Total is like 6,428 KOs at the minute without all characters.

A lot going on since I left again.

I never said they should remain that hard. I thought they would get much easier but apparently they haven't. It's infinitely less annoying to make thresholds easier rather than harder.

And I do think that aesthetics matter. People of all skill levels associate accomplishments with natural thresholds. What feels like more of an accomplishment - 80k HRC or 82k HRC? I think anyone would feel better right after hitting 80k than right after getting 82k. Also, if aesthetics didn't matter, why are we picking times like 4:00 or 3:30 for Melee BtT thresholds? Why not 3:41?

The MMM badge thing is an exaggeration. 100k HRC requires putting at least some effort into every character (or a decent amount effort, for new players). That's the kind of participation that matters. Obviously a threshold would not be set in such a way that you can just play it with every character and meet the goal.

In the end you should just do whatever you want though. I'm basically just an old and bitter Stadium alumnus by this point.

I don't even know what all those numbers are in meters...

But for aesthetics meters might work.

Which is why we should try to get them right the first time so we don't have to change either.

I wasn't around when any of these BtT thresholds (or HRC for that matter) were decided, so I don't have a good answer to that. I suppose ultimately my biggest problem with increasing the Melee pro HRC threshold is that it's already the hardest pro threshold up there (imo from a purely technical standpoint), which tells my gut instinct that it should be kept at 90k if not lowered--especially if we're going to put Brawl HRC at something pathetic like 140k or whatever.

And how many new players, walking in with a 25k or whatever total, are going to say that 90k is much easier or harder than 100k?

Which I guess makes two of us.

The reason HRC is the hardest is that it was the most played mode, although I think all modes should have a standard difficulty level of inter and pro.

I understand and agree with that, to a point. I have Pro Adventure set at 100m right now. I don't think anyone would argue that, say 100m Adv or whatever is as difficult as 90k HRC; in terms of difficulty, I might argue that 120m Adventure = 90k HRC, and I knew that full well when I decided on 100m. But that difference between 100m Adv and 90k HRC is acceptable since so few people play Adventure. I just feel that, say, 100m Adventure and 100k HRC is too much of a discrepancy.

Maybe I'm biased because I don't and probably never will have 100k HRC, or maybe Nintendude is biased since he's had 100k HRC for a long time. Or maybe both. >_>

Also, didn't we just get done saying that pro players don't really need badges to continue playing? I'm not convinced we need a pro badge for any mode.

They do. Welcome to 2008. <_<


25kft = 7,619.7m
50kft = 15,239.4m
60kft = 18,287.2m
90kft = 27,430.9m
100kft = 30,478.8m
130kft = 39,622.4m
150kft = 45,718.2m

Now there's a thought. First of all, as most of us know, the HRC field was apparently programmed in meters to begin with. Second, pretty much every version of the game uses that as the default, except in the US. So if meters is used in more countries, and if meters is the standard within the game's programming, wouldn't it be more logical to use meters for the thresholds? If one wanted to take aesthetics into account, why not make inter 15km, and pro 30km, and make similar adjustments to the other ranks? If 90k is too low and 100k is too high, I would consider that an acceptable compromise, if not better than either number outright.

100k is too high for pro compared to all the other thresholds.



In Melee...



90k isn't too low.

I tried to make Brawl have m thresholds, but the sad fact is that (with no offence intended) Americans feel like they're more important than Europeans and such so everyone decided (after a month or two of metres scores) to use feet instead... Despite the fact I regularly updated the list with metres...

Nintendude, you need to realise that while 90k is easy for us it really isn't for most people - We've had a lot of experience playing HRC. Compared to other thresholds it's already very hard, and changing it now to remove yet more people in advanced would be kinda taking the piss, especially when it's been 90k for at least five years now.