Official Tier list Discussion - old one derailed

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#1821
11:35 AM Jun 21 2011 2011
Eddie G
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...Huh?
#1822
11:48 AM Jun 21 2011 2011
xzx
Picture Perfect
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xzx won a Screenshot of the Week Contest!

Quote (originally posted by -LzR-):
ccst doesn't know his game icon_sad
I wouldn't say that if I were you.
http://allisbrawl.com/group.aspx?id=790

Quote (originally posted by -LzR-):
SL kills at around 130%, if talking about lightweights.
#1823
3:58 PM Jun 22 2011 2011
-LzR-
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Joined: Dec 2009

Quote (originally posted by xzx):
I thought you knew better. You're a MK main after all. I know more about MK than you, lol. SL actually gives that knockback, you can't DI upwards. It gives that gay knockback. Have you ever got hit by that? In that case, the Wario couldn't DI, because it gives that kind of knockback. Facepalm at you, -LzR-.
#1824
8:25 PM Jun 22 2011 2011
Rayquaza07
Smash PhD
Joined: Aug 2009
Rayquaza07 cheated on the AiB Ladder. Don't bother playing this person.Rayquaza07 impressed a staff member by doing something smart.Rayquaza07 helped an All is Brawl member with a problem.

LOL^

and snake should be high tier (not top) discuss
#1825
8:29 PM Jun 22 2011 2011
-LzR-
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Joined: Dec 2009

Snake should be lower than Diddy Kong. Snake gets raped by MK, his best results are ancient and he can be abused while Diddy can't be.
#1826
9:44 PM Jun 22 2011 2011
Eternal Mangekyo Zebra
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Eternal Mangekyo Zebra impressed a staff member by doing something smart.

What do you mean by ancient.

He still has more people using him hence why he's even still second.
#1827
2:32 AM Jun 23 2011 2011
Grim Fandango
Joined: Dec 2010

Lol at -LzR-

In terms of results in 2011, it goes something like this:

MK
--------
Snake
--------
Everyone Else

Snake is still a cut above the rest, and he doesn't get raped by MK xD

Hmm... First time I've been in this thread...
Jigglypuff is way better than her position indicates, Zelda is as bad as Ganon imo, Fox/Wolf/Falco should be closer, but the same order... Oli, Pika and G&W have the potential to move up past Marth, Wario and Ice Climbers, DK and DDD are too high (raped too hardly by pocket MKs imo).
#1828
6:39 AM Jun 23 2011 2011
xzx
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xzx won a Screenshot of the Week Contest!

^This.

Snake has always been second, and he will never fall down the list anyway. And LzR, what are you talking about? =D The Snake and MK MU is close to 50/50, same with Diddy Kong! Diddy Kong is third, no more.
#1829
6:46 AM Jun 23 2011 2011
-LzR-
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k xzx, try to tell ANYONE the Diddy or Snake MU is even. lol
#1830
7:22 AM Jun 23 2011 2011
Eddie G
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Looks like someone has yet to play Razer in person. He'd change your mind.
#1831
9:14 AM Jun 23 2011 2011
-LzR-
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Joined: Dec 2009

Yep, losing to a better player proves numbers like professional math.
#1832
2:45 PM Jun 23 2011 2011
Phil Nye the SCIENCE Guy
Tons of Damage
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Phil Nye the SCIENCE Guy is a troll. Please ignore anything said by this user.

Snake is better than Falco but worse than Diddy imo. If you're worried about renovation/freshness of his game, Havok has been doing a little bit of development for this character and doing fairly well. Results are still significantly stronger w/ snake than other characters barring MK. This thread pretty much debunks this "He's a one trick pony and hasn't won any significant earnings in awhile":
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295425&page=47

Falco gets hard countered by characters, which makes him just shy of being as solid as Snake and Diddy.

Also, Snake may get raped harder in situations, but he gets tons of life to do it and get it right. Anyone that doesn't have as amazing an offstage game as MK will still find it fairly difficult to keep snake away from resuming his strong ground game again. Not dying until 160% to most attacks at minimum makes for a lot of guesswork on the opponent's side, whereas Snake has much less a margin of error (as much as I hate that phrase).
#1833
5:01 PM Jun 23 2011 2011
Jebu
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Joined: Apr 2010

Diddy is going to rise to the second spot and give Snake the nanner.
Just wait an' see.
Quote (originally posted by xzx):
"I thought you knew better. You're a MK main after all. I know more about MK than you, lol. SL actually gives that knockback, you can't DI upwards. It gives that gay knockback. Have you ever got hit by that? In that case, the Wario couldn't DI, because it gives that kind of knockback. Facepalm at you, -LzR-."
#1834
6:12 PM Jun 23 2011 2011
Phil Nye the SCIENCE Guy
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Phil Nye the SCIENCE Guy is a troll. Please ignore anything said by this user.

I concur, Diddy has more going for him overall, and his MUs are really, really good.
#1835
10:03 PM Jun 23 2011 2011
Eternal Mangekyo Zebra
Sage
Joined: Mar 2009
Eternal Mangekyo Zebra impressed a staff member by doing something smart.

If only Wario could get more rep =(
#1836
10:30 PM Jun 23 2011 2011
ViperGold42
Popular
Joined: Jul 2010

same old same old


#1837
6:55 AM Jun 24 2011 2011
Grim Fandango
Joined: Dec 2010

If Diddy is so good, why is he so far behind Snake results-wise?
#1838
2:15 PM Jun 24 2011 2011
Eddie G
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Eddie G is connected in the Six Degrees of Smash web.

Quote (originally posted by -LzR-):
Yep, losing to a better player proves numbers like professional math.


I'd rather be out there playing them and learning than sitting on these (rather lackluster) boards attempting to arbitrarily number crunch while pretending to know what I'm talking about.
#1839
2:26 PM Jun 24 2011 2011
ccst
Unstoppable
Joined: May 2009

Quote (originally posted by Starkiller KB):
I'd rather be out there playing them and learning than sitting on these (rather lackluster) boards attempting to arbitrarily number crunch while pretending to know what I'm talking about.


Oh snap. <3
#1840
5:12 PM Jun 24 2011 2011
-LzR-
Host
Joined: Dec 2009

That's what I am doing, actually playing against real opponents offline unlike 90% of AiB.
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