Meta Knight is Finally banned in the Us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#21
5:21 PM Oct 3 2011 2011
oHaiZeta
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It is kinda sad that the tournaments this year, mostly if not all of them were won by a Metaknight mainer. yes with the ban we will see more variety of characters finally getting noticed, which is always good, but people will learn the diddy and snake match up a lot better now. and I main diddy. D;
#22
6:46 PM Oct 3 2011 2011
Bombkirby
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Its ABOUT time! When Brawl first came out...it was glorious. My first tournament was filled with a wide array of characters. From Lucas, to the Mario Bros. (in 2v2), to even Captain Falcon...everyone was using different characters. After the first month every tournament was 90% Meta Knights. Finally I'll actually see a little more diversity at tourneys!
#23
8:28 PM Oct 3 2011 2011
-Sol-
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You really have to appreciate both sides of the argument. There'd be a lot of diversity in tournaments if meta knight was removed. I can remember watching the finals of one video, and when the MK user won, the clapping wasn't enthusiastic, it was quite dull. Really struck me because usually people have a lot more spirit and it seems like a lot of people really want MK out of it completely. But then this is also bad for metaknight users who have been into him for a long time and have developed their skills out of him. But overall I think that the ban would provide more opportunity for other players.
#24
9:23 PM Oct 3 2011 2011
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Quote (originally posted by Edward Nigma):
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY WE CAN STOP CONCENTRATING ON COMPLAINING ABOUT META KNIGHT AND START COMPLAINING ABOUT SNAKE ONCE HE STARTS BECOMING OVER-CENTRALIZED INSTEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Isn't Diddy Kong 2nd on the Tier List?

Some kind of black magic?
#25
12:35 AM Oct 4 2011 2011
ValleyOfTheSun
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TOLD Y'ALL IT WOULD HAPPEN! YES!!
#26
7:41 AM Oct 4 2011 2011
Elite Gaymer69
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Im happy for Mk being Ban!!!
But Mk being being ban, doesnt mean Diddy or snake will be next.
Diddy is screwed by aerial characters and can get gimped as well, while snake sucks in the air and has trouble with chracters like olimar, pikachu.
 Mk has no weaknesses, so an MK less meta game is better, for the better! icon_smile
#27
3:22 PM Oct 4 2011 2011
Gardex
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MK gets screwed over by grab releases.
MK has horrible aerial mobility.
MK has no projectile or reflector.
MK is very light and dies early.

He has weaknesses, Pope Vader laughs at your post.
#28
4:08 PM Oct 4 2011 2011
Eternal Mangekyo Zebra
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1. None of the grab releases were matchup changing.
2. Doesn't matter if your attacks have has much priority and speed as mk's does.
3. PS
4. He lives pretty well for a lightweight.

Not saying he has no weaknesses but they honestly don't effect him much.
#29
4:28 PM Oct 4 2011 2011
Jet300
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Quote (originally posted by Explosive Zebra):
1. None of the grab releases were matchup changing.
2. Doesn't matter if your attacks have has much priority and speed as mk's does.
3. PS
4. He lives pretty well for a lightweight.

Not saying he has no weaknesses but they honestly don't effect him much.

Ya, for some reason he lives longer for a lightweight character.
#30
5:19 PM Oct 4 2011 2011
Phil Nye the SCIENCE Guy
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^It's because he has a 12-13 frame aerial (I forgot the frame data), that starts really early too, allowing him to get out of tumble and momentum cancel much more quickly.  Air release does change one MU in particular that matters (Marth), because things like AR -> dair spike do a lot of damage/reward in followup, but that's grasping at straws.
#31
6:08 PM Oct 4 2011 2011
Gardex
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He still dies at 70-80% from a G&W smash that sends him up vertically.

Lightweight. Dies early.

And Zebra, it doesn't matter if you try to come with counter-arguments, a weakness is a weakness. His horrible aerial mobility, weight, etc etc... are things that make him worse as a character. Powershield? What?
And how do moves with good priority help you if you can't even hit your opponent more than once because you're too slow in the air to follow them?

I also forgot to mention that all of his special attacks puts him into freefall.

It's like saying "Oh yeah? You say Snake is easily juggled? Yeah well if you do b-reversals with his nades he can get down way easier."

He's still a character that sucks at landing.

MK might have a godly move to momentum cancel with, but he still dies earlier than 80% of the cast when it comes to KO'ing.
#32
7:06 PM Oct 4 2011 2011
Eternal Mangekyo Zebra
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Ummm i'm pretty sure alot of middle weight characters will still die early from a G&W upsmash xD.

And i wasn't making counter arguments i was just saying that his weaknesses don't really weaken him.

PSing is a basic counter to projectile users what do you mean what? That's all he needs against falco and the ability to read his side b's and such. Of course it's not as easy as i'm making it sound but still.

And have you ever heard of uair chains? They have been proven a true combo for a long time now. He can read opponents landing and knock them away again. He's fast enough to follow his opponent after he's hit them away on the ground. Besides don't all characters aerials knock be people away? The only people who can really follow up their aerials are Yoshi, Wario and Jiggs. Mk doesn't need that when he can keep racking up damage and easily gimp most of the cast.

Like i said i'm not saying he has no weakness's i'm just saying they aren't that big a deal obvious if he can be the threat he has been for the past 3 years.
#33
7:21 PM Oct 4 2011 2011
Gardex
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Uair chains go up, which means that aerial mobility means nothing. I'm talking about chasing your opponent to the sides.

With good aerial mobilty, you can hit your opponent, follow them after your attack and read/hit them again. This is possible if your character moves quickly in the air like Marth, the ones you listed, Wolf and even Captain Falcon.

And yeah I know that everyone dies early from a G&W usmash, but only the lightest die around the 70% mark.
#34
9:58 AM Oct 6 2011 2011
Lil Fudge Mane
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Quote (originally posted by Elite Gaymer69):
If Mk isnt banned in California, why the hell would the people say hes Banned around the USA and canada?


banned in the usa/canada if there using the unity ruleset,
#35
12:11 AM Oct 7 2011 2011
Elite Gaymer69
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I hope they always use the Unity Ruleset then, so Mk will always be Banned, which im sure in the Future
MK will be Banned, untill SSB4 comes out.
And for listing Mk's weaknesses thank you, but problem is..
Meta Knight doesnt have any Even match ups, he has an advantage over the Whole Cast! icon_surprised
Now someone who has an advantage over every character in the game(besides himself) Definetely deserves a Banning or a Huge Nerf
Phoenix in Marvel vs Capcom 3 is like the Meta Knight in that game!
But in Ultimate marvel vs Capcom 3, they Nerfed her up the but! in other words, she isnt Broken anymore icon_razz
#36
2:24 AM Oct 7 2011 2011
-Sol-
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They nerfed fox from melee. They didnt nerf marth or falco. They may or may not nerf MK or they wont include him at all
#37
9:43 PM Oct 10 2011 2011
Isaac52
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Quote (originally posted by Gardex):
He still dies at 70-80% from a G&W smash that sends him up vertically.

Lightweight. Dies early.

And Zebra, it doesn't matter if you try to come with counter-arguments, a weakness is a weakness. His horrible aerial mobility, weight, etc etc... are things that make him worse as a character. Powershield? What?
And how do moves with good priority help you if you can't even hit your opponent more than once because you're too slow in the air to follow them?

I also forgot to mention that all of his special attacks puts him into freefall.

It's like saying "Oh yeah? You say Snake is easily juggled? Yeah well if you do b-reversals with his nades he can get down way easier."

He's still a character that sucks at landing.

MK might have a godly move to momentum cancel with, but he still dies earlier than 80% of the cast when it comes to KO'ing.


Wait wait wait.

He can die.
That's a weakness?

Uhhhhhhhhhh
#38
12:31 AM Oct 11 2011 2011
Krystedez
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why does it matter Gardex... his other attributes help him avoid that for the most part... like, when are you going to see MK get hit by upsmash from Gw? how about fsmash by DK? see where your logic is wrong?
#39
9:56 AM Oct 11 2011 2011
Gardex
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I'm just stating that he has weaknesses.

I know he has such amazing properties that deem most of his weaknesses kinda insignificant, I'm not an idiot.
But it still doesn't change the fact that the points I listed are parts of his character design that can be abused by other characters.

Usmash from G&W is a very big possibility from a dthrow techchase btw, although it's usually dsmash or fsmash that gets picked(fsmash also kills MK stupidly early compared to other characters).

I used the upsmash as an example to show how easily MK can be killed(especially vertically, where his uair doesn't help squat)
#40
1:24 PM Oct 11 2011 2011
Phil Nye the SCIENCE Guy
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Quote (originally posted by -Redd-):
They nerfed fox from melee. They didnt nerf marth or falco. They may or may not nerf MK or they wont include him at all


wat

btw, "the Us"?
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