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#1
12:38 AM Dec 10 2011 2011
dcold
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Critique My Match
I need some feedback, I already know some things I can improve on like not rolling/spotdodging so predicably and my ledge game->returning to the stage isn't great either. I'd like some feedback if ya could (Plus to get some activity back to these boards...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ivDyoVJXO0&feature=channel_video_title

 


#2
3:13 PM Dec 10 2011 2011
Phil Nye the SCIENCE Guy
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I take it there was a lot of lag while playing this match? It looks like the spacing was hardly there, and that can easily be contributed to wifi lag.

Try to avoid always throwing bananas directly at Diddy.  Good ones will instant-toss them back at you almost every time, so it's better to "guard" bananas or play "keep away" with them sometimes, make them come to you (especially if you have both).  Sometimes throwing them up, Z-dropping them while approaching, or throwing them far away are good ideas to make them less accessible to Diddy, or slip him up for an opportunity.

That diddy really didn't know the MU, if you ever see a Diddy not have his bananas out, make sure to capitalize, Sheik is really good against banana-less diddy.

That ftilt -> utilt -> DA, I think a dash grab/boost grab  would've been a better idea after the utilt, or if you wanted to be safe, a dash -> RAR'd bair or nair/fair would've been a good followup.

You sit in shield a lot, not a good idea when playing as sheik, unless diddy has bananas out.  Sheik thrives on moving around a lot, she's very mobile and able to harass the opponent very well, putting up shield makes you slow down more.  Shield is needed in this MU though because it's one of the best ways to deal with bananas.

Now, when you do see Diddy pull out bananas, make sure to shoot your needles at him.  His banana pull animation is very slow, and you can often hit him with your needles for free damage, even when he jumps in the air to pull them out.


Use less fsmash, I'm sure half of them were accidental and meant to be ftilts, but fsmash as a whole, as you've noticed, isn't a good move :\.  Lots of commitment, hardly ever kills for how laggy it is, and half the time the opponent doesn't get hit by the second hit.

Some of your options were good, like you know the gist of how to followup after ftilt, but you should also think about where the opponent is going to be, especially on wifi.  Pressuring is hard to do when you don't have precise control over your character, so you often have to think a step ahead.  For example, instead of those times where you overextended yourself.  For example, at 4:12, instead of that full hop nair and letting diddy have the center stage again, you could do a SH Air dodge backwards to provoke a response and re-position yourself to get underneath him, so you can utilt, uair, fair, etc.  If you see him move backwards with like a peanut gun reversal instead to try to get back onto the ledge, you can chase him down or just wait for him on the ledge while charging needles.  This is sort of what they call being "Option smart", if you can start to think like this, you're already halfway there icon_smile

You fullhopped a looooot, you should only jump that high when,

A: The opponent is too high for a SH to hit with uair/bair
B: To bait the opponent into approaching because they think they can juggle you from underneath.

If you use a full hop as an approach, you don't put the pressure on the opponent very much, and you leave yourself wide open to getting grabbed/juggled.  Do more SHs, even empty ones w/ no attacks or air dodges are really good at making the opponent have to guess what you're going to do next (watch some of Cross/Earth's sheik vids, they're really good at making the opponent feel pressured and not be able to punish so easily).
Last edited by Phil Nye the SCIENCE Guy, 3:31 PM on Dec 10, 2011
#3
6:01 PM Dec 10 2011 2011
dcold
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I know about the short hopping and such lol, I tend to full hop a good amount for no reason really. Wasn't the best match to critique for that especially, but I'll be uploading more matches and such. Yeah those FSmashes were mistakes except for like...1 I think where I was expecting a roll. But yeah, thanks for the thorough critique. I'm still a little rusty since I quit and came back to brawl a little over a month and a half agoish but no johns just get better ;D
#4
12:37 AM Dec 11 2011 2011
Phil Nye the SCIENCE Guy
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Yeah, no problem, partially the reason I never do wifi is sheik feels very different on there, my punishes and timings get all messed up icon_razz
#5
10:10 AM Dec 11 2011 2011
kongmetal
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aww not in the video topic icon_sad
ah well imma watch this now
#6
10:31 AM Dec 11 2011 2011
kongmetal
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oh same video....
hmm with diddy an easy way to give sheik more killing power is to take his nannerz (trust me as a diddy/sheik main i know this lol) Once you throw the nanner imput a dacus and bam hit. Even if diddys sheild the nanner a large amount of the time they will try to catch it off the sheild which can put them in a dangerous position for a tipper upsmash. Again if your too predictable he can punish. But sicne the nanner will still be in your control it will help you if you get grabbed sometimes since it will trip him as it lands and release you from the grab.
Also you need to needle camp more. Again its harder via wifi but again... its wifi icon_sad So your needles go farther then his throw so you should be fine to needle camp a long time lol especially since we have the speed to back it up.
Try to get diddy above you more. Hes not terribly weak in the air and can get around stuff with side b and nut reversal but you can still juggle him pretty decently out of ftilit>utilt (or even uair)
I also find teather is amazing again diddy for edgeguarding, if hes off stage try to get to the edge to spin that teather around the ledge to where he will need to recover. If timed and hit properly you can interrupt his up b which will basically get you the kill. Another edgeguarding tip is our needles can really rape diddy. If you see him leveling up with the ledge from far out chances are hes goign to side b.. the second you see that needle his face lol. If you loses his side b he will be forced to charge an up b to make it back. This gives you ample time to just short hop (or full hop depending how far he is) and shoot needles as hes charging or even after the release. In short you can get an easy gimp.
More specific to your match you used fair ALOT which is a great move for sheik but, you do need to mix it up. Bair is better for spacing anyways but i think fair helps start a bunch of combos and gimps off stage. You also tended to roll a bit too much. Diddy is probably the best character in the games for punishing rolls so you really need to be careful with that. Rolling can have moments where its good but not so much against diddy with a nanner. Also learn to sdi fsmash lol its not that hard just hold up and smash cstick away.
That diddy was really bad tbqh, kinda like a bad 09 diddy lol If you see them spamming dash attack its kinda annoying but easy to punish especially as sheik. oos nairs kill very easily since after the last hit on diddys dash attack he continues the animation completly vunerable (makes up for his insanley quick cool down) So punish it like a gaw bair.

Anyways we should play sometime and that way i can give more advice on sheik
#7
3:34 PM Dec 11 2011 2011
dcold
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Alright sounds good Kong, thanks for the input, I learned that DACUS thing from one of Ed's videos recently, I've seen it work now, and yeah Wifi really does change the way I play, no Platform Cancels or ledge tricks really since everything has like a "wifi risk" but yeah. Was just a ladder match I put up for critique, I have more I'll probably add to the critique thread. And yeah I'm down to play whenever you are, but forewarning I'm terrible at that horridly broken ditto >.<
#8
4:41 PM Dec 11 2011 2011
kongmetal
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well i dont generally use sheik much tbqh soo might get a couple dittos if anything... my exams are done on the 13th sooo 14th onwards ill try to play yea before school starts up icon_razz
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