I've spent a few months in free play doubles, it's been a fun experience. And I've also learned a lot about questions regarding doubles I couldn't previously answer due to my lack of doubles experience, such as whether double MK is the best doubles team or not. Below are my final answers.


Is MetaKnight The Best Doubles Character?

Easily a yes. Lots of players have brought up how he's a crutch in doubles, but now I got to experience it for myself. On 3 occasions involving different groups, my team was dominating until someone on the opposing team started using MetaKnight, resulting in the opponents suddenly taking a lead in the series. I witnessed first hand all the typical gripes over how he can do almost anything in doubles; he can get kills, he can assist when his partner's in trouble, he can protect his stock.

However, I observed something else about him in doubles, seldom spoken of. When one of the opposing team's player is defeated, MK has a big advantage if his partner is still around. The key to ganging up on the enemy is to make sure not to commit friendly fire, a scenario MetaKnight thrives in, which I can't say the same for Olimar whom is ranked #2. This secures MK's rank as #1.


Is Double MetaKnight The Best Doubles Team?

Back when I looked at the initial debate that double MK isn't even the best doubles combination, I had no way to know for sure whether this was true because I had very little experience in doubles. But I now know that G&W and ZZS are said to be the best team because ZZS can use the gun to charge up G&W's down B. I also see why people said that "while double MK is the easiest team to use, G&W and ZZS are the best team". Cause as I've witnessed, the G&W bucket is very powerful but if the team doesen't have good synergy, it can result in friendly fire.

While this is true, I find that this is a matter of who has the better synergy. However, players with bad chemistry can just both use MK and still do really well. With that said, I'll rule double MK as the best doubles team, but with an alternate explanation.

Chain grabbers are neutralized in doubles, limited to only using it in situations where you can gang up on the last surviving opponent.  Why does this even matter? All the chain grabbers, all 3 of them, are top tiers. With their chain grabs neutralized, it drops their value below the top12. This gives MK an even bigger tier lead than in singles. At this, I rest my case.


What say your thoughts? 

The big issue here is that most of the best teams INCLUDE a MK, and that root of the issue is what really needs to be looked into. Double MK is, imho, and a lot of people will agree here, not the best team in the game, although it is definitely one of the best.

This silly stipulation designed to "sort of" ban MK from doubles really isn't necessary.

I can go into detail if you want, but double MK really shouldn't have been put under scrutiny for a ban. Instead, looking at whether or not MK on a team at any capacity in doubles is a bannable offense would have been a better move. And... considering there are lots of teams that don't actually involve MK but still can compete to a very high capacity, alongside the many successful MK-involved teams, I'd be leaning more towards the side of no, MK shouldn't really be banned from doubles in any capacity(and this is coming from a super duper pro-ban person on the singles side of the debate).

Although, as I've said many times, I don't know much about doubles. So... if I'm wrong, and it's actually completely necessary to have MK on your team in order to have any shot of winning, then sure, maybe a full out ban from doubles should be looked into, w/e. The main point I'm trying to get across is that you need to look at MK's legality in doubles as a whole, not just double MK's legality in doubles.

I do not know why I read your post. I know they are going to suck but for some reason, I go in thinking, "this will be the time he changes" and I must ask myself... what am I thinking.

Thank you John12346, you have done it again.

I assumed the mods shut down the other double MK ban(?) thread because its volatile nature.
I've said everything by now.

Surprisingly, It isn't closed. Though someone really needs to close the poll. How long has that poll being there? As well as that, did the result really come to any surprise?

I honestly hate leaving out characters in the game, because I feel like every character should have their own lime light and glory. However, I really wish Meta-Knight was just banned from all tourneys nationwide single and double. He really is a broken character and greatly unbalanced. I even recall seeing a thread on another brawl website (before I found AiB) and some guy went and did some extensive and intense calculations and research and concluded that on equal skill levels, no Ganondorf player could beat a Meta-Knight player. Apparently it just isn't possible.

Edit: WOAH I don't know how to read apparently

Ghaude, if you saw this post before the edit, sry, I thought you were talking to me(w/ the last sentence being sarcasm).

double mk is arguable to be the best team but wario mk gandw mk mk lucario are also extremly gud teams imo

There's much you can learn from playing freeplay doubles. I used to think the same as you before I got really experienced with doubles. I used to think that Ganondorf can compete with MK in doubles because I thought the playing field would be leveled, due to all the factors that come when 4 players are in a single match. However, I was sadly mistaken.

I've been using Ganondorf in doubles as a test for 3 months now. I've discovered that, despite the 0-100 matchup in favor of Olimar, my winning ratio has stayed consistent in those odds. The only character in doubles that turns the tide has been MK. I can't really explain it further but...

John12346, start experimenting for yourself. Go into freeplay and start doing doubles, settle on a low tier and see where your stance on this will be in a month. The proof is in the pudding. To be honest I hate unfair bias towards MK because I follow the philosophy of "if you can't stop something then step up your game, don't complain", but at this point I believe a full out ban is in order.

I checked GhaudePhaede's profile, he/she uses MetaKnight. No surprise there, why did I even bother. I go in thinking "this time maybe it'll be different" and then I see the profile and ask myself what I was thinking.