Well explain it then.

Whoa hey I though we were talking about Brawl characters that shouldn't be banned and Pokemon not Pokemon and Pokemon that deserved to be banned.

I know, I'm just reeeeeeeally bored right now.

I'll send Stacey a PM tomorrow about this. I want sleep now.

Why not post it here? I'm happy to prove you wrong where everyone can see.

Get butthurt.

I can send in Chomp after you kill one of my Pokemon.

Here's where the issue comes in. At this point, your "counters" cannot be safely switched in except the Cloyster.

"Choice Trick Anything, Stuck using SD and severely crippled upon switch in."

I can predict this switch and Earthquake/Outrage/whatever. Anything fast will die from one Earthquake/Outrage and anything bulky will be too slow to do the Choice Trick (they'll end up dying after the second attack anyways).

Not a counter, at all.

"Focus Sash Weaville, Two-Three shots it and you have a guaranteed two hits on it."

Earthquake on predicted switch. You use Ice Punch (Yache activates to avoid OHKO). I use Earthquake to finish off Weavile.

Not a counter. 

"Bulky Glaceon, Blizzard will OHKO even with the Yache."

No matter the EV spread, you will be OHKO'd by Adamant SD Stone Edge. Hell, I believe Jolly even OHKOs it too.

Not a counter.

"Trick Room Anything, Garchomp = Slow now."

Nothing is bulky enough to use this THEN OHKO it next turn.

Not a counter.

"Skill Link Cloyster, LOL"

I don't think I need to explain this, as I said it's the only one that can work as a counter.

"FEAR, LOL"

Ohai, I'll Earthquake you on your switch-in, then KO you the next turn after your pathetic Quick Attack.

Fail.

"Almost any Dusknoir, high defense, pain split, burn, ice punch..."

SD Adamant Outrage OHKOs Max HP/DEF Dusknoir.

Not a counter.

If you're going to say that switch-ins don't count, then they aren't counters. They become revenge killers at that point.

So yeah...can we get off this topic already? >_>

I think we've covered everything we can. Its up to the SWF now.

Hey, can we all agree that a large number of MK mains are actually malicious douchebags who only play for money and are upset that a game designed for children is not the same as another game designed for children

No. I want him banned because he's unbalanced and hilariously broken, in my opinion. His Dsmash is too fast, his tornado does too much damage with ridiculous priority, and he has an advantage over pretty much ALL of the cast. PERFECTLY BALANCED, RITE?

You do know that his air attacks are more broken right? To many people are saying dsmash and nado. Id rather deal with nado and dsmash than his fair.

Lol His Dair is the worst. Especially when he's gimping you. The angle that thing sends you in is annoying.

Maybe I'll do an MTG analogy (since I play MTG a lot more than Pokemon even though I do understand competitive Pokemon lol):

Anyone who played Magic in 2004-2005 experienced the tyranny of Affinity. Affinity was an extremely fast deck that abused several broken combos to create for an ultimately degenerate deck. It could play 2/2 Frogmites and 4/4 Myr Enforcers for free thanks to the retarded artifact lands that effectively tapped for two mana because of the Affinity mechanic. Disciple of the Vault + Arcbound Ravager was an unbelievably broken combo that would cause people to lose the game very quickly. Cranial Plating was a piece of equipment that should NEVER have seen print. This was just the tip of the icerberg. Very few decks, if any of them, could compete with the speed and relentless non-interactive style of Affinity.

For 95% of the decks in the format, they could not beat Affinity. And no, it wasn't just a hard matchup. It literally was "I cannot beat this deck." The only other deck that could even remotely stand a chance against Affinity was the Tooth and Nail deck, but even that deck required at least over a dozen pieces of artifact hate in the maindeck, with at least 4-6 more hate cards coming from the sideboard. Even then, Tooth and Nail was still solidly disadvantaged to Affinity.

Affinity was literally an unbeatable deck when played correctly. Hell, even a complete noob playing the deck could defeat a seasoned pro with Affinity despite making several play errors. The amount of forgiveness the deck provided was sickening.

Affinity is much more comparable to Akuma than MK. Akuma is completely unstoppable when used by a competent person. The same was true for Affinity. I would compare MK to Tarmogoyf in the Magic world; an extremely overpowered element in the game, but hasn't shown the ability to cross the threshold of being broken.

@ SonicSmash: MK does not have any broken moves. At all. They're really, really good, but they're not broken. A broken move would be something like Akuma's fireball, which is something that cannot actually be answered. Consequently, people have learned how to punish tornado (angle your shield or attack it from above) and Dsmash (it's unsafe on block).

D-air and U-air are much worse than those moves, lol.

Also, having the advantage over the entire cast is not that bad as long as your advantages are not retarded like 90:10s or 80:20s with the entire cast. >_>

uair and dair are all he needs
the other moves just happen to be good enough to be worthy of using

You people arent giving fair enough respect. Fair wall is hard to get past.

he can't use fair fast enough and has no coverage from above or below
fair is great from the ledge but it's not as good as uair and dair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24bP2akQVc
Fiction cant even approuch him like that.

Fiction is a patient player and plays Tyrant all the time, he chooses not to approach.



Nah because it's not true, and who can agree on false statements?

I know that but if you see the first part of the fight you will see that he literally cant approuch. Mk is under the platform so Wario cant attack from above and nothing wario has besides maybe ftilt beats out fair. I think he got bored and stopped doing it but if he just did that the whole time there would be nothing Fiction could do.

Ummmm? I don't understand why u would ban him whether hes unstoppable or not. It would be like banning spammers, you will eventually find a weakness.