Ive never heard this john before. Usually people complain about dsmash being overpowered or SL. But besides that Umbreon needs to put this post on the front page. I would have wrote all that but you beat me to the punch lol.

TOA is hosting one to test what a Meta-Knight-free tournament scene will be like.

My guess is with no MK, Marth will become the top character in the game.

I made a giant response to his post, hit tab + enter, thought it submitted, made dinner, came back and realized it searched and I had lost my post.

This is why I hate AiB. Why can't we just tab>enter to post? lol


Jist of my old post, summarized:
1) MK is no longer in his own tier
2) Without MK, some characters would actually see MORE of their worse matchups that are also high/top tier. As a Snake main, I know I'm Anti-Ban because I'd much rathers fight an MK before a D3 or a Falco or a Pikachu or an Olimar.....

i still think wario will be best
he only has to second snake to take care of his bad match-ups, and it's only 2 of them

Ive thought that for like.........ever.

Uh, no, Marth will be the best character in the game.

lol

Snake isn't even that bad (never was), and Dedede would be your only hard threat. Meta Knight is Marth's worst match-up by a ****ing mile.

he still has DK problems, as does snake

wario needs only snake to back him up, snake is still a bad match-up
heck, even DK is a good back-up to wario with meta gone

oh wait a tic

screw this, ban meta, i won't have to learn anyone new

No, its just discouraging when people like Fallen Angel post up a very out-dated post with no facts... 

For a better pro-ban argument, check back about 10 pages and look for mine lol

Yes, Marth does have DK problems. But guess what? Marth still has worse match-ups with Snake and D3, and they're both 60:40. >_>

Snake's only true disadvantage is with Olimar, and Wario has Olimar problems. Snake's best secondary is either Luigi or Marth. 

Gah, too lazy to read through 12 pages of this dribble. Vacation + No internet = Poltergust gets owned. @_@

Marth-DK is 60:40 DK too. That's 4 disadvantageous matchups in high tier with 3 of those being in S tier.

Marth and Luigi lose to D3 and DK though, two other possible Snake disadvantages.

And you act like it's impossible to juggle DK like ****.

I still say it 55:45 DK.

Darknid, many players believe the Snake3 matchup is 50:50 on neutrals, then goes from 55:45 Snake to 60-40 D3 depending on the stage. (AKA: Neutral on neutrals, going from slight advantage on Snake's CP and advantage for D3 on D3's CP)

Umbreon, arguing over 5 magical bull**** points means nothing. Please tell me, what difference does it make if it is 55-45 or 60-40? You have an amazing 5% more of a chance of winning according to the ratio? This is why I support the "Severe Disadvantage through Severe Advantage" way.

Severe Disadvantage
Disadvantage
Slight disadvantage
Neutral
Slight advantage
Advantage
Severe Advantage

No numbers, and there is a large enough gap between each as to not lead to petty arguments.

Also Dk:Snake is neutral.

wario has an advantage over oli.....

only marth and peach would be his bad match-ups, in which both DK and snake take care of

DK does not have an advantage over luigi.....luigi gets inside and proceeds to rape him

Dedede, Olimar, Falco, and Wario all have slight advantages on Snake IMO.

DK beats Luigi 55-45 because getting inside is, in this case, a ****ing ordeal for Luigi if the DK is doing it right. Maybe a noob Luigi vs a noob DK, but a good DK will space a Luigi way too well for this to be an issue. Luigi is extremely slow.

this is coming from the same guy that said luigi's air game sucks

It does. All of his aerials are short range attacks that extend his hurtbox and his air speed is 2nd worst in the game, meaning you can beat his air game with any decently spaced medium/long range or disjointed aerial, few characters lack one.

No words