Meta Knight Ban - Should it be?

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#2121
12:50 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Eden
War is Over
Joined: Aug 2008

If metaknight is banned.

Rob is amazingly high tier again.

Marth is top tier.

Snake's bad match ups become hella lot more commom since mk isn't there to take them out.

D3 loses mk as a bad match up but gains a plethora of falcos and olis so idk.

Wario's bad match ups in peach and marth become more common.

etc etc.
#2122
12:53 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
EvilHeadBoy
Friendly
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I was thinking, why ban metaknight when you can handicap him? Then I got thinking, why not handicap everyone? So now, 2 weeks from then, I have created a near perfect graph to show what % every character should start at to once and for all balance the game (without hacks) and no more banning, and no more tiers in general. I'm having trouble letting people know though. No one bothers listening, or just says EPIC FAIL without even looking at the numbers.
From what I've tested, it works really well, but I'm one person's opinion, I need the community to let me know.
Send me a message if you would like to see my graph (currently on paper).
I assure, it DOES work, because math always works
#2123
3:05 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Soren9
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Quote (originally posted by EvilHeadBoy):
I was thinking, why ban metaknight when you can handicap him? Then I got thinking, why not handicap everyone? So now, 2 weeks from then, I have created a near perfect graph to show what % every character should start at to once and for all balance the game (without hacks) and no more banning, and no more tiers in general. I'm having trouble letting people know though. No one bothers listening, or just says EPIC FAIL without even looking at the numbers.
From what I've tested, it works really well, but I'm one person's opinion, I need the community to let me know.
Send me a message if you would like to see my graph (currently on paper).
I assure, it DOES work, because math always works

the characters could never be evened out completly like that there is still teh matter of insane recovery and DI with MK. also if u did that with Ganon he would kill you in 2 smashes which would make the game unfair,
#2124
3:42 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Aggression
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Quote (originally posted by UmbreonMonarchy):
Yes, Marth does have DK problems. But guess what? Marth still has worse match-ups with Snake and D3, and they're both 60:40. >_>

Snake's only true disadvantage is with Olimar, and Wario has Olimar problems. Snake's best secondary is either Luigi or Marth. 


what? snake has a few disadvantages, and olis agree that snake>oli. so no.
wario has minor oli problems and even putting weegee on that list discredits you. weegee is pretty bad. im pretty sure if recoveries were never a problem, mario would be better. theres a reason his fsmash kills so easily, its because weegee is terrible.
thats not even an opinion, what players even USE him? ive never seen a weegee make it to a top tourney match.
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Funny story, I was actually pissing off some guy for using meta and I go: "Can i get teh troll badge?"
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#2125
3:47 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Eternal Mangekyo Zebra
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Quote (originally posted by Aggression):
what? snake has a few disadvantages, and olis agree that snake>oli. so no.
wario has minor oli problems and even putting weegee on that list discredits you. weegee is pretty bad. im pretty sure if recoveries were never a problem, mario would be better. theres a reason his fsmash kills so easily, its because weegee is terrible.
thats not even an opinion, what players even USE him? ive never seen a weegee make it to a top tourney match.
Look up Boss sir.
#2126
4:43 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
TehLuvdiscGuy
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Quote (originally posted by leatherhead93):
Look up Boss sir.

Aggresion, I do believe that discredits you, good sir.











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#2127
5:00 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Flutist
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Quote (originally posted by Aggression):
what? snake has a few disadvantages, and olis agree that snake>oli. so no.
wario has minor oli problems and even putting weegee on that list discredits you. weegee is pretty bad. im pretty sure if recoveries were never a problem, mario would be better. theres a reason his fsmash kills so easily, its because weegee is terrible.
thats not even an opinion, what players even USE him? ive never seen a weegee make it to a top tourney match.


Luigi's really good. He just can't approach due to his slow air speed and low traction.
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#2128
5:06 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
SuaSa
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Aggression... please go look at:

Fino
Hilt
Dabuz
Ally
Samurai Panda
Ken Neth
nevershootme
RATED
SuSa
Easyseph
RichBrown

Out of those, please tell me who says Snake>Oli? Almost all of us (Olimar+Snake mains) have agreed its an advantage for Olimar (60-40)

Also @ Evilheadboy:
Do your numbers take matchups into consideration? A high tier could still have a bad matchup, is it fair if I start with an extra 30% facing a bad matchup? Then you'd have to work everything off that - and starting with a handicap is pretty stupid anyways....
#2129
5:32 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Umbre
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Aggression should get a clue and figure out I'm never responding to what he says.
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#2130
7:51 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
dabuz the horrible
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anyone who argues snake beats oli needs to watch high level matches between the two, also, even without recoveries involved weegee>>>>>mario, true facts
#2131
8:12 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Soren9
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Quote (originally posted by dabuz):
anyone who argues snake beats oli needs to watch high level matches between the two, also, even without recoveries involved weegee>>>>>mario, true facts

i agree luigi has a few trump cards like his up B which can kill at fairly low damages and better combo ability. also i know u said  even without including recoveries but mario is screwed with edge hoggers while  luigi can make it back from almost anything
#2132
8:17 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Eternal Mangekyo Zebra
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I think weegee can go under the stage and make it to the other side. Plus edgeguarding weegee is kind of dangerous he can get lucky get that rocket missile and kill you for your foolishness. He has a above average recovery.
#2133
8:29 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Blubba_Pinecone
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Joined: Apr 2008

Personally, I support the idea of banning MK.

It's been said before I'm sure, but I think that he over centralizes the game, and is just plain too capable of playing any role. Also, he can easily abuse many tactics via technicalilty that normally wouldn't be allowed.
#2134
8:36 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Soren9
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true dat
#2135
8:36 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Chuee
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Hey everyone, Aggression has a troll badge. Don't listen to him.
#2136
8:43 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Eternal Mangekyo Zebra
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Quote (originally posted by Blubba_Pinecone):
Personally, I support the idea of banning MK.

It's been said before I'm sure, but I think that he over centralizes the game, and is just plain too capable of playing any role. Also, he can easily abuse many tactics via technicalilty that normally wouldn't be allowed.
YEAH THE TREND CONTINUES!!! Though this one is alright.
#2137
8:44 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
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Quote (originally posted by Chuee):
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#2138
8:59 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
AE-77
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Quote (originally posted by Tizocolo):
Don't be mindless.
Take his opinions with a grain of salt.


KK, but only one. 
#2139
10:35 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
roknin
Baller
Joined: Mar 2008

meh... ban him and get it over with. at the very least we can see just where it takes the game if he is banned.
#2140
10:36 PM Jul 27 2009 2009
Soren9
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Quote (originally posted by AE-77):
KK, but only one. 

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